OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Agreed. My local mayor is Republican, but has worked very closely with Los Angeles and the State Government. That communication keeps our public up to date on what’s going on in our area. He’s giving daily updates and not going against the fray of the State or LA county’s policies.

 

How well could you do on this test?

https://www.cityoflancasterca.org/home/showdocument?id=35163

 

So many government programs never even get results, they don't measure results, they don't communicate with each other.
https://www.heritage.org/welfare/commentary/government-social-programs-triumph-hope-over-evidence
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/can-government-play-moneyball/309389/

Here's a snippet from one of those :

With so little performance data, it’s impossible to say how many of the programs were effective. But you don’t have to be a Tea Party organizer to harbor skepticism. Since 1990, the federal government has put 11 large social programs, collectively costing taxpayers more than $10 billion a year, through randomized controlled trials, the gold standard of evaluation. Ten out of the 11—including Upward Bound and Job Corps—showed “weak or no positive effects” on their participants. This is not to say that all 10 programs deserve to be eliminated. But at a minimum, collecting rigorous evidence could help spur programs to improve over time.

One of the programs studied by the Task Force for Disadvantaged Youth that did collect meaningful performance data and was rated by a part assessment was the Even Start Family Literacy Program, a Department of Education project aimed at improving the literacy of low-income parents and their children. Unfortunately, the data showed that “children and parents … did not gain more than children and parents in the control group.” part rated the program “ineffective.”

Here's a look at some of what Clinton did:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ring-legacy-of-welfare-reform-20-years-later/

Not all of that is 'bad', but spending on the poor went up from welfare reform and yet didn't really decrease poverty.

There are a lot of really ineffective government programs that spend billions just to exist. That's a really bad ROI for our tax money.

https://theweek.com/articles/539569/5-government-programs-that-truly-squandertaxpayers-money

Prove to me that our tax dollars get spent efficiently by the government?

Your argument at least to me (and this could be me interpreting things incorrectly) is, well some government programs run well, especially with unlimited funding (hyperbole), so the government is fine.

 

I took the test. Got 5 wrong.

 

I wouldn't approach with pessimism as much as skepticism. Kind of, show me you can before I go further (although often you're already on the ride). But we do that with just about everything. I go into the local hardware store with a checklist of skeptical standards to be met, even when just buying a screwdriver. Although if I'm to the point of buying a screwdriver at a bar, I don't give a shit

anyway, as far as the local level: I have spent 40 years as a self-employed contractor, mostly carpentry and remodeling. Lots of new residential construction mixed in too, as well as many years doing both new and remodeling sub-contracting on dental offices. So then, that means I've spent 4o years dealing with State licensing requirements, in Oregon, Alaska, and Arizona. And all three have required me to have bonding and liability insurance...those are two separate things. And sometimes having to secure performance bonds. And that's 4 decades of dealing with building permits, building codes, and building inspectors. Let me tell ya, that's no picnic, and it has left me as unimpressed with local government as with bigger government

I just don't hate government, nor do I hold people who work for government in any lower esteem than people in general.
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speaking of gross and disgusting (somebody has to have been), let me tell you about the most gross and disgusting thing I've had to do a few times (dinner with the in-laws is another category): I've remodeled several dental offices. If you're older, you'll remember how dentists use to hang that little vacuum appliance in your mouth while they worked. It would suck out the drool, saliva, and blood. It would then pass through little plastic/rubber hoses into lines that ran inside the framing of walls and eventually go into some tank that would needed to be disposed of as toxic waste

anyway, those lines that ran thru the framing of walls inevitably had sags in every stud bay. And each one of those sags collected that old drool and blood; it pooled there. Well, I had to deal with those damn things several times and by some mystery, that slime was still in liquid form. 30-40 years of blood and drool in little disgusting ponds. It was more than enough to gag maggots. By the way, there was no guideline into how we were suppose dispose of that stuff. A hole in the system

 

Yes, it's a better deal now than the one that the republicans tried to shove through and trump openly blamed the dems for not just blindly passing it. This seems to be the norm in this administration. trump will talk bipartisan but his actions clearly show partisan politics. Maybe he should learn to just keep his mouth shut.

 

that's not what I'm saying. And there's a giant difference between "unlimited" funding and sufficient funding. For instane, social security could be solvent for the foreseeable future is the cap on taxes was lifted from 130K to 5 million

 

Ewww! Thanks for making me spit out my breakfast!

yeah, I deal with the local government a lot and it ain’t pretty. Just imagine how insane that is at the highest level!

 

Except, if you actually read the article, the Democrats “Schumer” said they worked with the Administration.

 

Trump loves his walls!

 

Absolutely there is a difference there. I should be more clear and less "attacking" I do not hate the government, I realize that there are things the government does that has importance. I do however have a lot of (I don't know pick a good word here) skepticism towards large government, spending, power, the scope at which waste and corruption can occur un-checked. I tend to think that yes those things can happen and do happen at companies, but it's beyond just bureaucracy and the slow wheels of government. I tend to lean towards local / state governments should have more power and the federal government should have less. I think there is massive government waste when it comes to spending tax dollars, that programs are instituted mainly to make jobs and results don't matter (at least at times).

 

Not the argument of validating 70% infected are asymptomatic, but that there is a very large possibility that a large population has been infected that isn’t reported. Like hundreds of thousands. Maybe millions.

 

yes, but that didn't stop trump from using his briefings to blast and blame the democrats. Yes, I have watched the press rallies and if you have then you can't deny that with honesty.

 

Why are there hundreds of thousands not being reported?

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/pandemic-response-vaccine-months.amp

Pandemic plan once sought vaccine within 6 months. It could be 18-plus for coronavirus. What happened

 

They're both too busy playing the "CYA" game.

 

Doesn’t seem so with many quantifying the mortality rate to the actual number of confirmed cases.

here’s one example: