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seems like 40 total patients would be too small a sample size to draw conclusions. Most testing of groups of such small sample sizes have been concluded as too small to be statistically significant to draw any conclusions from by the NIH.

 

No, read it again, you said my post was "baseless" and I clearly showed that it was. You were the one who pointed to "new hospitalizations" as the better barometer...I instead showed "new cases" which is part of the guidelines for reopening.

 

But who were you responding to when you said "math people"?

 

Trump literally gave away his leadership role to governors during this pandemic. Trump could have shown leadership, but instead handed it off to others when the going got tough, then he sits back and decries fake news while bashing those same governors that he handed his power to.

In other words: Trump wussed out.

 

Myself. And anyone else not understanding the numbers. I wouldn't have understood them either until. my current employment. Numbers come much easier to me now because of my career, where I know they may not come as easy or make as much sense to many others who don't have that specific experience.

But math doesn't lie. It might give false perceptions, like my example provided, but when broken down, the truth is always there.

 

HAHAHA.

 

Man, Way to ruin a good thing. That's it game over. Taking my cat and going home!

* I admit, i've watched it three times now and cant stop laughing....*

I love cats.

 

Yup, and I'm sure he did it by design, that way, if things go bad he can claim, "hey, I told you so"...of things go well, he takes all the credit.

And sadly it appears that many governors are essentially doing the same thing by leaving major decisions up to business owners.

 

That is completely dependent on the input. In some cases, garbage in, = garbage out.

 

Not following you. Not sure how that relates? Garbage in = garbage out? If you are referring the input to be the data, well, I provided an example with a direct correlation.

Did you see my example and understand how total numbers can be deceiving?

 

Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

I'm only referencing the overabundance of info we're given sometimes online thru the net/twitter/facebook, et al, and it's hard to wade through what's real and what's not...there's so much of it that it can become very confusing as far as what to believe and what not to believe.

Like I've said before, there's a lot of information on covid19, but there's even more misinformation.

 

Understood and agreed. However i'm not sure how that relates to the discussion at hand regarding Tennessee's decision to reopen and the numbers regarding the virus in their state that you referenced as indicating the leveling off is not happening?

We are all using the same info provided in the posts above in this discussion, so to me, it seems its apples to apples whether the numbers are scewed or not, the math is still the same.

Unless the goal posts are now being moved from " Tennessee's curve is not flatlined and they are making a bad decision", to "The media has not provided truthful information regarding Tennessee's numbers", of which then I don't think any of us would have anything credible to base a judgement off of.

As far as I can tell the discussion was about whether Tennessee was making a correct decision and you provided a graph in defense of your opinion. Are you now saying that the graph you used is not trustworthy?

Seems the conversation took a shift all of a sudden?

 

hey now....I get in enough food fights without being drug into others...

here's the thing(s) about "flattening the curve"....to start with, there are many curves; and many of those many curves are based upon data that is questionable. For instance, if the curve is the total number of cases, or daily new cases, we would need to have a sufficient level of testing to have any confidence those curves represent reality. But, based upon what just about every 'expert' has said, we are not testing at a level sufficient to have confidence in the numbers

and then, there are curves that don't really tell us anything like total cases and cases per million. Those curves will only flatten when we go weeks without a new case

going back to an Oregon vs Tenn. comparison, maybe new cases/week is a good gauge?





as I said before, Tenn. is testing at a higher rate per million but Oregon is testing at a higher rate per positive. If you're thinking like me that Oregon is being smart by keeping the stay-at-home orders in place for 2-4 more weeks, then Tenn. looks to be jumping the gun by dropping restrictions this early

if hospitalizations are a gauge, then Tenn, is doing slightly better per million, but again, if Oregon is counting nursing home patients and Tenn. isn't, it's a noisy gauge. Perhaps more important is that neither state has flattened that curve to a downward trajectory. Both states have seen hospitalizations/million increase by 16 over the last week

http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

 

i really love all the predictions about the virus by non medical personnel. i have to admit i only read them for entertainment. i try to only consider those of medical professionals that i am able to validate from multiple sources. never consider twitter as a potential source IMHO. musk's prediction has obviously not aged well in a matter of only 5 weeks.