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Fauchi said 18 months would be reasonable in April with very fast being a year


IF EVER!

He specifically said there was a chance no vaccine is ever produced. There is always a chance they cannot get one. Just better ways to treat it.

 

I'm not the one arguing for the whole thing to be rushed...you are

the NY Times is reporting tonight that the trump white house, thru HHS, changed the testing guidelines for Covid published by the CDC at the end of August, and did so even though the CDC and several of the scientists there objected to the changes vigorously and said they were bad guideline. The CDC was told they weren't the final authority on testing...the white house was. Further, the reporting is there will be more changes in CDC guidelines tomorrow...again, over the objections of the CDC

this sure as hell appears to be politics corrupting processes and protocols that are based upon science and medicine. And THAT, is exactly the lesson the trump administration teaches.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

why in the hell would any aware person believe that trump isn't working hard to corrupt the vaccine testing process? He has corrupted and broken every thing he's touched in the last 44 months. His deadline is election day. A woman who has worked in the trump white house on the Covid task force came out today and said that trump is essentially evil and doesn't give a shit about the impact of covid on anybody but himself

from what I know, and people can correct me if I'm wrong, all these phases of trials are conducted by the drug manufacturer. There are FDA and CDC guidelines that are supposed to adhere to but how the fuck do we know that those guidelines haven't already been altered by the white house? And then, those companies are supposed to submit the data to the 'authorities' for analysis and either approval or an emergency use authorization (EUA). Anthony Fauci said tonight that in the past there was excellent transparency in the process that instills confidence. I'm hoping that's still true, but if trump is involved, and he is, there's plenty of reason for concern

and of course the big problem is that nobody trusts trump, even his supporters. An early turnout of a vaccine will be looked at with wide skepticism. That's just another way that trump has poisoned the waters.

 

Good points.

 

No I’m not. I’m arguing that a vaccine will be available for at risk people by December.

 

I would eat that.

 

Yes, with more resources more staff can be hired and best equipment purchased. It's why big pharma has advantage over start-ups. But eventually you need double blind trials in thousands of people, not just numbers but diverse population, and that simply cannot be rushed.

 

Also, check out the history of thalidomide.

 

Pray all you want but our dream won't come true.

 

That's actually the proper paradigm for any large project development. You iterate in on the optimum solution. I learned this in software development.

 

The Trump administration cut positions in China as part of it's efficiency improvement. We have all seen what that meant for early decisive action against this virus.

There is efficiency and there is lunacy. If you get to the market first but it bankrupts you because the product is defective - it is not efficiency - so any vaccine that arrives this early is to be suspect for a good reason.

 

Any approval process led by a government entity, like the FDA, is subject to improvement.

 

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