OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Over half the deer tested in Michigan have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2
    A survey of wild deer finds a lot of antibodies that target the virus.

    On Wednesday, the US Department of Agriculture released some rather disturbing news: a survey of wild deer populations has found that large numbers of the animals seem to have been exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. The finding indicates that there's a very large population of wild animals in North America that could serve as a reservoir for the virus, even if we were to get its circulation within the human population under control.

    Probably not an error
    Why check deer in the first place? The USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service is studying a variety of species "to identify species that may serve as reservoirs or hosts for the virus, as well as understand the origin of the virus, and predict its impacts on wildlife and the risks of cross-species transmission." This is the same group that identified the spread of the virus to a wild mink in 2020.

    Using a captive deer population, the USDA had already determined that deer can be infected by the virus, although the animals display no symptoms. So although direct interactions between deer and humans are relatively limited, checking the wild populations made sense. The USDA checked populations in a total of 32 counties in four different states, obtaining blood samples to look for antibodies specific to SARS-CoV-2.

    The antibodies were quite common, ranging from a low of 7 percent of the samples in Illinois to a high of 60 percent in Michigan. All told, a third of the deer tested had antibodies against SARS-CoV-2.

    The USDA also took reasonable precautions to make sure the data was accurate. Agency scientists tested samples that were around prior to the pandemic to confirm that the rate of false positives was low (it was). The researchers also ran antibody tests using two different machines to make sure the conclusion wasn't due to some sort of hardware problem (it wasn't). So in all likelihood, a large number of deer have been exposed to the virus.

    What does that mean?
    By now, we've spent a lot of time studying how SARS-CoV-2 spreads, and prolonged exposure to respiratory droplets is the most efficient method. There aren't many contexts in which this kind of exposure is likely to be happening between humans and wild deer. It's possible that these numbers are generated by a rare transmission to deer that is followed by extensive spread within the population. Or another species, possibly a domesticated one, might be carrying the virus between humans and deer.

    Understanding how the transmission takes place will be critical to determining whether the existence of a large viral reservoir in deer poses a threat to humans. While there's been no indication of a human picking up an infection from deer, the virus is so common in the US population that it would be difficult to rule out human-to-human transmission as an alternative explanation for any cases. Still, if the US ever does manage to control the spread of the virus, being aware of any alternative routes of infection would be a good idea.

    Another issue is that the virus can pick up mutations that help it adapt to deer as a host and prove dangerous to humans if the virus jumps back to humans. So far, the one case where this has been studied with SARS-CoV-2 is a strain that is adapting to mink. That virus is becoming less efficient at infecting human cells, but it's also changing in ways that make it less susceptible to the immune response generated by vaccines or prior infections. There is, of course, no reason to think that a deer-adapted SARS-CoV-2 would follow a similar trajectory.

    In any case, both of these issues—the presence of a difficult-to-control reservoir and the prospect for further evolution of the virus—means that it will be important to understand how the virus is reaching the deer population and whether it's spreading between deer.

    https://arstechnica.com/science/202...qNOTMUrKIPgZxQJD9nirqSwG6rBE5JSsKSL_fQav9c5Bc
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    When it comes to the flu it seems like animal versions are never good, bird flu, swine flu, let's hope rat covid doesn't kill us all.
     
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    But the latest data is showing that the vaccine is not significantly reducing the spread.

    Getting everyone vaccinated won't change anything
     
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    They are well aware that they are the control group.
     
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    Even if vaccines only prevented serious illness and death, is that not enough? So vaccinated people can get it and spread it…but don’t feel sick and don’t die. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.
     
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    Whew! Now you take the explanation of bacteria developing resistance to antibiotics, because I think some people confuse that with viral mutations.
     
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    It won’t change number of deaths or hospitalizations?
     
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    So once again... EVERYBODY GET VACCINATED AS SOON AS YOU FUCKING CAN!

    Pretty please. With sugar on top.
     
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    Which data is that? The most pessimistic data I've seen thus far is 80% protection from the Delta variant...

    If 80% fewer people were being infected we'd be doing real well.
     
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    Neither of those statements is correct.

    barfo
     
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    Data coming from Israel a few days ago. They were the first nation to get most of their population vaccinated.

    They were calculating that the vaccine was currently only ~40% effective & even less so in the transmission of the virus


    Today there was this report.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

    Here is the important quote:
     
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    Are you vaccinated?
     
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    Great post. What I was most concerned about with my kids was the social aspect. Kids need to be out and around other kids. Their brains need the interaction more than learning historical dates on a laptop.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Excellent discussion of how Darwinism works.
    Viruses replicate pretty fast so they can be mutated really often. Something really bad can happen if the unvaccinated insist on being the host to this devil.
     
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    I'm going to start the day with your advice when I have to go to dialysis this morning. I'll bet the nurses enjoy the show.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    I've been getting a craving for cheese lately. What does this mean?
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Not so fast.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    When Covid-19 first appeared, science knew next to nothing about it. Slowly we are building and analyzing a data base. Slowly because we want to be accurate.
     
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    Say what? I'm getting Firefox Can't Open This Page.
     

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