Now It's clear to see your a Golden State fan, but you need to understand when your franchise makes mistakes. You basically made my point for me, they're sitting on their wallets rather than BUILDING a championship team. First off, Gilbert Arenas deserved every penny of his contract. Your building a team of young stars and it costs money, but in the long run it's money well spent. You have to pay a luxury tax? Well cry me a river, you want to contend it's a price your going to have to pay. Golden State had an abundance of young talent with unlimited potential, they were headed in the right direction. This is what a franchise is suppose to do, spend money, bring in talent, and BUILD! Yet Golden State went backwards. They stopped spending money, they sat on their wallets, and they traded away their young potential ridden talent for veterans with deminishing skills. So now what's left? In another two years Nick Van Exel and Clifford Robinson are likely to be gone while Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison are off lighting up the league. But I guess everything will be alright because they'll be under the luxury tax, huh?
Golden States mistake was not letting him get away last summer. Their mistake was their foresight. If they had your hindsight, they would not have let him go. Then again, we would also have Kobe on our team, or Tracy McGrady, ect. I disagree that Arenas is worth $10m per year, look at what he has done for the Wizards. He guaranteed a playoff spot, they have one of the worst records in the league. He is barely shooting 40%. He has been a disappointment to Wizard fans. Second of all, it is not guaranteed if we kept Arenas, we would have a playoff spot right now. If adding him to the Wizards in the weak eastern confernece could not net the Wizards a playoff spot, surely he would not have done the same for the Warriors in the toughest conference in the west. Why would I pay $15m per season (salary and luxury tax) for a player when he could not get me into the playoffs? If we were talking about a Kobe or Shaq type player that virtually guaratees a playoff spot I could understand. But we are talking about a very young, turnover prone, immature, ball hog that is too small to play sg and not good enough to play pg. So what is left you say? Right now, not much. But in 2005, we will be a MAJOR player in the free agent market. Then when we sign a player of a Yao, or Kobe stature, you come back here and ask these same questions. Your hind sight is 20/20, but your foresight, even worse than St. Jean. You are legally blind.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post"> You just can't justify Golden States move's by pointing to their injuries, I could simply care less how successful they could have been this season. Perhaps if healthy they made the playoffs, but getting out of the first round would be a long shot. </div>lol...you think they would get out of the first round with the team they had last year? Yea, beating the Kings in a 7 game series would be a piece of cake.
You guys don't get along with any KJ's don't ya? I would have found some way to keep Arenas, cat is going to be a star, even if his attitude sucks.
As I've already stated before, the Warriors had the chance to re-sign Gil by paying him big money next off-season, he agreed to take the MLE in the off-season only if they paid him big time money the year after, seems like a fair request to me. However your owner wasn't down with that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree that Arenas is worth $10m per year, look at what he has done for the Wizards. He guaranteed a playoff spot, they have one of the worst records in the league. He is barely shooting 40%. He has been a disappointment to Wizard fans</div> One word for you INJURIES Thats the only reason why that team has struggled so much this year. Wizards have a poor record but are only 4 games out of a playoff spot. Arenas has averaged 34 points 6 rebounds 8 assists in his last 5 games. He is getting heathly again which is why his stats keep rising Arenas is now part of the 19, 5 and 5 club.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys don't get along with any KJ's don't ya? I would have found some way to keep Arenas, cat is going to be a star, even if his attitude sucks.</div>There are too many KJ's on this board. As I have said all along, I wish we could've kept Arenas. He was my favorite Warrior last year and there is no doubt that he is an all-star. I don't really know all of the details about his contract and what was offered or not offered to him. I DO wish we did everything possible to keep him...I'm not sure we did.
Paying the luxury tax is only worth it if you make the playoffs first and are confident about going deep into it. I'm sure if one were to think realistically about how much extra money that gets shelled out versus how much they have raked in the past seasons, you could basically waste your money that you earned signing one player and not be able to afford the other crucial pieces you need to win. I mean I can see the warriors giving Kidd or Garnett a lot of money because those guys are worth it and have proven they make their teammates better and can provide leadership on/off the court. Arenas is a bit of a gamble who could possibly cause problems down the road like he did with the warriors last year during some games. Last year, there was also no veteran leadership. Mills and Fortson were lousy role models. Everyone was playing for stats, including Arenas. He sure had good numbers, but it don't mean squat in the team game, people forget this. So the steps were made so that they could get rid of all the punks and all the bad contracts and keep the core they were interested in. Maybe create another run TMC playoff team.
Arenas was a quality player that i see as the next Jason Terry. There's just something about Arizona guards... look at Damon too. They start off with a boom. Scoring a ton and racking up numbers. But the thing is they're all complimentary players. I don't think any of them will be the team leader it needs to take it to the next level. Damon fell off the face of the earth, but is putting in quality time as a role player. Terry is in the same situation as Arenas, putting up number is a losing cause. Like its been said, there is no guarantee that if the W's had kept Arenas they would be in the playoff race. IMO, the West is just too thick and the best way to go about it is to stick with a plan and a core group of players. Arenas didn't share that thought and wanted the money now... i'd be surprised if he find himself on the Wiz in three years. players like him don't stick around if there's some downtime needed to improve.
I agree that Arenas was a good player, but not a good fit for the franchise with his me-first mentality. It's like the Cavs. I think once they got rid of those other young players like Darius Miles and Ricky Davis (The stat padders) for solid vets, Cleveland started winning more because Lebron would get more touches and the cavs in general would play better as a team. Would you have argued the call to trade them if both players suddenly broke out? In hindsight, you would say that D-miles, Ricky Davis, Big Z, Booze and Lebron would have been a team to contend with. But in reality those 5 don't work well together and probably never would have. The same goes with Murph, Damp, Richardson, Jamison, and Arenas. Had there not been injuries to our frontcourt (Foyle/Murphy/Eschmeyer/Jones) and our two point guards, the warriors would be in the playoff race. I mean not having your backup point guard, your starting power forward, and your backup center for most of the season just kills your chances. Anyone disagree?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YayAreaFanatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Arenas was a quality player that i see as the next Jason Terry. There's just something about Arizona guards... look at Damon too. They start off with a boom. Scoring a ton and racking up numbers. But the thing is they're all complimentary players. I don't think any of them will be the team leader it needs to take it to the next level. Damon fell off the face of the earth, but is putting in quality time as a role player. Terry is in the same situation as Arenas, putting up number is a losing cause. Like its been said, there is no guarantee that if the W's had kept Arenas they would be in the playoff race. IMO, the West is just too thick and the best way to go about it is to stick with a plan and a core group of players. Arenas didn't share that thought and wanted the money now... i'd be surprised if he find himself on the Wiz in three years. players like him don't stick around if there's some downtime needed to improve.</div> Arizona has good players, but they are horrible as a team. They just don't play team ball and therefore they won't win because everyone is playing for stats.
Here's a thought. Let's say that the fallout between Cohan and Arenas didn't happen and Gilbert signed a deal for the MLE so that we could get Bird rights. Given the fact that Gilbert has been injured with his abdominal strains, could his agent Dan Fegan have gotten the same amount of money that the Wizards were offering?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree that Arenas is worth $10m per year, look at what he has done for the Wizards. He guaranteed a playoff spot, they have one of the worst records in the league. He is barely shooting 40%. He has been a disappointment to Wizard fans.</div> Whoa. Are you kidding me? Have you watched this guy play since he's been healthy? The guy has been injuried and so has Jerry Stackhouse, that's why they're not in the playoffs. I highly doubt he's a disappointment to the Wizards fans, if anything thing, he's the only hope they have. Arenas is averaging 19 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists per game this season for Washington. Yeah, I'm sure The Wizards fans are real disappointed they picked up Gilbert and of course with those kinds of numbers he doesn't deserve 10 million a year Simply absurd <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Second of all, it is not guaranteed if we kept Arenas, we would have a playoff spot right now. If adding him to the Wizards in the weak eastern confernece could not net the Wizards a playoff spot, surely he would not have done the same for the Warriors in the toughest conference in the west. Why would I pay $15m per season (salary and luxury tax) for a player when he could not get me into the playoffs? If we were talking about a Kobe or Shaq type player that virtually guaratees a playoff spot I could understand. But we are talking about a very young, turnover prone, immature, ball hog that is too small to play sg and not good enough to play pg.</div> If you want to build a team for success you have to show your willing to spend money to do so. What kind of message do you think that sends to the players? "Hey guys, you aren't making the playoffs this season so your not getting resigned." So basically your going to have players who know Golden State won't be resigning them and they become more concerned with putting up their own statistics and marketing themselves to other teams rather than ACTUALLY winning in Golden State. Golden Satate had a team of young stars, Mike Dunleavy, Antawn Jamison, Gilbert Arenas, Jason Richardson, Troy Murphy, etc. Not to mention this season Erick Dampier is having a career year (probably because he knows he should start marketing himself to other teams because Golden State sits on their wallets). This team could very easily have competed with Utah, Denver, Portland, and the rest of the teams in the west who were competing for those last 2 spots in The West. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So what is left you say? Right now, not much. But in 2005, we will be a MAJOR player in the free agent market. Then when we sign a player of a Yao, or Kobe stature, you come back here and ask these same questions. Your hind sight is 20/20, but your foresight, even worse than St. Jean. You are legally blind.</div> 2005? Yao Ming won't be going anywhere till at least the 06-07 season, that's when Houston will be forced to resign him and his current contract will run out. In 2005 Golden State may be a player on the free agent market, but they were already headed in the right direction with the stockpile of young talent they had on their roster. So basically they went backwards, sat on their wallet until 2005, and they're going to try, try again. It all just seems a little disappointing because they defintely had a chance to piece together a tremendous roster.
I feel like somebody is missing the point. It's not whether Arenas is worth the contract so much, it's being able to afford it. The warriors could not afford to spend money on him and Jrich and Murphy. And then in future years we'd complain about not being able to sign Murphy or Jrich. If you wonder why Cohan seems cheap, it's also maybe because he is not that rich as everyone thinks he is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">If you want to build a team for success you have to show your willing to spend money to do so. What kind of message do you think that sends to the players? "Hey guys, you aren't making the playoffs this season so your not getting resigned." So basically your going to have players who know Golden State won't be resigning them and they become more concerned with putting up their own statistics and marketing themselves to other teams rather than ACTUALLY winning in Golden State.</div> We did that with Jamison when we gave him that max contract (when we slapped that franchise player label and made him captain), with Fortson because he could 'rebound', Marc Jackson, et al. The management was willing to give money to the players, but what were the end results? Remember at the time that Jamison and Fortson was the worst defensive forward tandem in the league. And as far as Gilbert is concerned, the maximum deal that the Warriors could give him was a 2 year deal since he was drafted in the second round. Remember that the draft pay system goes down the further you get drafted and correct me if I'm wrong but 2nd round draft picks don't get guaranteed contracts but the team hold their rights for a year (I was thinking of Steve Logan)? On another note, there's another team that comes to mind. The Portland Trail Blazers. They have one of the most bloated payrolls thanks to owner Paul Allen. Even though they make the playoffs every year, they don't get past the first round. And they arguably had a more talented and more experienced team than GS (Rasheed, Sabas, Stoudamire at times, etc.) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">Golden State had a team of young stars, Mike Dunleavy, Antawn Jamison, Gilbert Arenas, Jason Richardson, Troy Murphy, etc. Not to mention this season Erick Dampier is having a career year (probably because he knows he should start marketing himself to other teams because Golden State sits on their wallets). This team could very easily have competed with Utah, Denver, Portland, and the rest of the teams in the west who were competing for those last 2 spots in The West.</div> Damp is playing for a fat contract true, but we as GSW fans know he's only in it for someone to CTC (cut the check). As soon as he gets it, he'll revert back to his old ways (see previous 5 years). As far as the 'young stars' are concerned, Jamison is not a star. True, he can score especially with that baby hook with the quick release, but a lot of his numbers back then were in garbage time. And it isn't saying much when you average less than 2 assists every year and play horrid defense (just no vision on the ball at all). <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James X3:</div><div class="quote_post">2005? Yao Ming won't be going anywhere till at least the 06-07 season, that's when Houston will be forced to resign him and his current contract will run out. In 2005 Golden State may be a player on the free agent market, but they were already headed in the right direction with the stockpile of young talent they had on their roster. So basically they went backwards, sat on their wallet until 2005, and they're going to try, try again. It all just seems a little disappointing because they defintely had a chance to piece together a tremendous roster.</div> You have to see the logic here. In the west and a chance to get out of the first round of the playoffs, you need at least a bonafide star. What good is a 7 or 8 seed if you can't get out of the first round? (Ask KG or TMac about that.) Right now, we have 'potential' stars in JRich, Murphy, Pietrus, Speedy and Dunleavy. They're all under contract for at least a couple of years. Right now, they have the chance to prove their worth. But to have that solid core plus a bonafide star and that's something to talk about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel like somebody is missing the point. It's not whether Arenas is worth the contract so much, it's being able to afford it. The warriors could not afford to spend money on him and Jrich and Murphy. And then in future years we'd complain about not being able to sign Murphy or Jrich. If you wonder why Cohan seems cheap, it's also maybe because he is not that rich as everyone thinks he is.</div> Cohan isn't Mr. Moneybags like Cuban or Allen. Also remember that Gilbert, JRich and Murphy all have the same agent, Dan Fegan. And add Dampier who just signed with Fegan and now the situation just became worse (b/c of Fegan's hardball tactics).
We may not have resigned Arenas, and he's been playing extremely well lately, but had Claxton and NVE not been plagued with injuries this season I think they as good if not better replacement for Arenas. I'm very happy with claxton's play even though he is not the caliber of player as Arenas, Arenas is so much better than Claxton and we got him for cheap, so we will have the caproom later to sign other players, like J-rich. I can't remember who but someone said that the team was willing to play its players and it never turned out well. I agree because they signed players but they didn't necessarily fit the team. Even if they are good players if they don't fit the team you should sign them.
Allnet used the same excuse for the Wizards as we are for the Warriors. Injuries have prevented this team from getting to that next level. So if we had been injury free and made the playoffs, would we still be crying over losing Arenas? N-O.
My whole problem with this whole thing, is that Garry Saint Jean is still the GM. Why is Garry Saint Jean still the GM? I can only think that the Warriors management is very dumb(Chris Cohan and whomever) to not see that Garry has done absolutely nothing with this team. But make progress then go back 3 years. Ever since Garry has taken over the only words i hear are "two more years." " it will only be 3 more years" Then last year it's like we are this close to being something special, and now it's back to "2 more years." I can't take this anymore. Garry Saint Jean is too inept to be the GM and after last offseason's he should had been fired. I know that there was little that the Warriors could do, but the reason they couldn't do anything was because of Saint giving Caffey, Jamison, and Fortson huge contracts and still having Mills' big contract from that terrible Spree trade. I hope it's true that someone new, like Mullin, will be GM of the Warriors soon.
