Court of Public Opinion Would Fire Montgomery

He also knew Dunleavy sucked balls and benched him. My kind of coach!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do you say this about Mussleman and are such a avid supporter about keeping Monty and giving him a chance to turn the club around? Shouldn't Mussleman have gotten a chance?</div>
I'm saying Musselman could not win with this group just like Monty isn't winning with this group. This group sucks.

Muss should have gotten a chance, but he and the GM did not agree on some things. As far as we know, Muss and Monty are loyal to each other.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Muss and Monty are loyal to each other.</div>

huh?

What else did Mullin and Mussleman disagree on? All I know is he wouldn't play our Larry Bird 2.0, which in my eyes was smart.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">huh?

What else did Mullin and Mussleman disagree on? All I know is he wouldn't play our Larry Bird 2.0, which in my eyes was smart.</div> Well, there's a lot of things we don't know and we are assuming, but there's got to be another reason why he was fired than just not utilizing Dunleavy.

The last I heard was his personality, his style of open court offense, and no clear instructions to give to his point guards.

With Montgomery I think there's either a point guard that isn't listening or a point guard that doesn't know how to run the point. Whatever the case Mullin and Monty both entered the league inexperienced to their jobs and that's why they are probably working together as well as they do. They are in the same boat and alone together when it comes to assuming blame. Meanwhile Musselman kind of went his own route I believe, but he came at a time where Mullin was replacing St. Jean and Mullin wanted his own guy.

I just think there's better things for us to dwell on than removing a coach, especially when we've gone through so many. Every fan thinks they know what good coaching is, how to turn this organization around, and pick on every little thing in hindsight. But we're so much on the outside looking in, dwelling on the stellar play of last season, we forget these coaches do it for a living and know the strategies better than we do (we only assume there's a better coach for us because we haven't gone through all the coaches in the nba just yet).

The GMs meet with these coaches and evaluate them and know what to expect from them, and it's hard for a coach to be successful when he's got poor extensions (i.e. point guards) and guys who can't finish plays. I don't know if you've ever played actual basketball, but the point guard is the coach on the floor and he's easily the most important player on the team. It's why so many former point guards become coaches. But all these flaws with Baron/Fisher and not scoring well is starting to cause problems with even distributing the ball. Then besides putting them at fault, if a guard can't rely on the inside play or the wings, guards generally shoot or try to do something rather than run a play where the guys out there are going to mess up. Then it's more problems when you put rookies out there who many of the core have never really practiced with. Plus, rookies are rookies. We don't have Lebron, we don't have Carmelo, we've got guys who probably need to adjust their games and learn the offense before they go right in. Limited minutes don't really tell the whole story as seen with Pietrus/Foyle and some others.

If we were inside the Warriors organization on all levels, we'd know firsthand what's really going on. I think there's just been a lot of bad hunches from management regarding where to go and they've had to re-think their future plans. I say give it time or move onto a better team that won't make so many bad decisions as this organization has made.

So I guess whoever our coach is, you kind of have to understand what that coach was trying to do and what the players ended up doing instead. That's the way to look at it. Angry people who don't understand and are frustrated with something, look to blame. I blame lack of ingredients (which we can apply to guys like Foyle or Dunleavy or Murphy or Fisher, but those guys aren't at fault for playing how they normally play). We're just poor when it comes to the right things needed to win. Even when Jrich or Baron miss something like free throws, you blame the fact they can't make free throws.

I also blame Cohan because I don't understand what his strategy was in his hires...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">He also knew Dunleavy sucked balls and benched him. My kind of coach!</div>

LOL .

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">I just think there's better things for us to dwell on than removing a coach, especially when we've gone through so many.</div>

I'd agree with you if it was someone like Musselman, PJ, Adelman or even St. Jean as long as he isn't someone who is so awful for the team such as Monty. A coach does need continuity and support from upper management, but please not Monty.

Monty is such a horrible fit for the team and too nice a guy to be a head coach in the NBA imo . He's at least 25% responsible for the sad shape this team is in. Mullin should be for another 25% and the players the rest this past season.

Look at Toronto. They realized they made a mistake with Babcock (despite the positive things he did) and corrected it. I also think Sam Mitchell isn't a very good NBA coach, but they're giving him some leeway.

For Golden State, we should fire Monty and give Mullin some time to fix the problems. If you were Mullin CR2, then you would be blasted to the point of possibly losing YOUR job if you kept Monty and we had another suck and draft season. Then, it means we're starting from square one all over again with new upper management.

 

For Monty's defense, he really wasn't in a position to win thanks to Mullin's horrendous jobs. By choosing Dunleavy over Jamison, consistant 20/10 became inconsistant 10/5. By choosing Foyle over Dampier and trade C. Robinson for basically nothing, our rebounding and interior defense went from one of the best in NBA to one of the worst in just few years. To make things worse, we are basically stuck with gigantic salary structure.

That has been said...

I don't believe Monty did anything to save his job.

First, Monty failed to install whatever he is trying to do to players. Yes. Players can be stubbern and not listen what coach says. But, it still is a coach's job to make them listen. Because, otherwise, you are just not an effective coach and there is no reason to keep the coach. Besides, there are number of outcries among players that they have no idea what's going on. Foyle is a great interviewer. But, when Ralph in KNBR asked whether the team has a chemistry problem, Foyle said chemistry among players are great, but because the coach experimented so many ways, they struggled to adapt. In other word, players have no idea what Monty is doing. Two years are not a short time period, and in that stretch, it's expected for a coach to find working systems for a team. Other than run-and-gun (which happened because of Davis) and great out of bound plays, I haven't seen one playset, where we can really rely on day in and day out.

Second, lack of adjustment. The most important aspect of NBA is how you adjust in a given situation. After 12-6 initial run, other teams did adjusted against us. And, there were no counter-adjustment against that, causing 18-39 (.315). In addition, we went through horrendous first quarter, where we allowed 35+ and 65+% fgs casually, and it took whooping 2 months to finally correct that problem. And, other than occassional 3 pts bombs in 4th quarter, which bailed us out so many times in 4th quarter, we have no play which we can rely on. Our problems are quite clear, but Monty either took way too long to correct it or couldn't correct it at all.

Third, lack of motivation. We played without an energy throughout this season, and that's one of the reason why we played so many horrible first quarter. Players might not like Muss, but that didn't stop Muss from making them play with all they got till the last day. In last two years, the only time I saw players playing with a fire is at the end of last season, when we acquired Davis.

Forth, lack of respect among players. Clearly, players lost their respect toward Monty, and once it's lost, it's really hard to rebuild that respect in NBA and make them listen.

Fifth, lack of impact role players. Players like Diogu, Biedrins, Zarko, Pietrus, Murphy, Foyle are great at one thing/horrible at another thing type of players, and depending on how a coach utilize their strength/cover their weakness will decide their fate. With Muss, we unearthed players like Boykins and Cardinals from nowhere, Pietrus played like a defensive demon and Dampier also had a career year. With Monty, we really had no those impact role players, weakness of those players were fairly exposed, and players like Zarko and Pietrus actually regressed quite a bit.

If there is a hope that things can be better by keeping Monty, I would wish to keep Monty regardless our record in two years. However, in two years, Monty showed that he can't adjust, motivate players or make effective plays with given players. To make things worse, players lost a confidence on Monty, and fans are demanding a human sacrifice for 2005-6 disappointing season. I do believe the time is now for a coaching change...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jason voorhees:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd agree with you if it was someone like Musselman, PJ, Adelman or even St. Jean as long as he isn't someone who is so awful for the team such as Monty. A coach does need continuity and support from upper management, but please not Monty.

Monty is such a horrible fit for the team and too nice a guy to be a head coach in the NBA imo . He's at least 25% responsible for the sad shape this team is in. Mullin should be for another 25% and the players the rest this past season.

Look at Toronto. They realized they made a mistake with Babcock (despite the positive things he did) and corrected it. I also think Sam Mitchell isn't a very good NBA coach, but they're giving him some leeway.

For Golden State, we should fire Monty and give Mullin some time to fix the problems. If you were Mullin CR2, then you would be blasted to the point of possibly losing YOUR job if you kept Monty and we had another suck and draft season. Then, it means we're starting from square one all over again with new upper management.</div>
First of all if I were Mullin, I'd apologize to all fans for getting their hopes up again.

Second of all fans have to accept some responsiblity in being a little naive about the Warriors' chances in an 82 game season or else they wouldn't be so frustrated and suprised with this year. It wasn't a sure thing, especially with streaky players and injured Baron Davis and all the other flaws mentioned that carried over from last year.

Third of all, basketball is about %'s. You want good shooters that can score at a high % and good defenders who can hold the team to lower %'s than yours (all while limiting turnovers, limiting the other team's 2nd chance points, attempts at high % points in the paint).
Since teams also play defense and can design offenses to score against your defenses, you have to find ways to create gaps in the other team's defense whether it be ballhandling, passing, good organization, off the ball movement, good hard picks and screens, etc, and also be quick/smart enough to get back on D and stay in front of players. The Warriors players have never convinced me that they can do any of those things under any coach. And if you ask me why Musselman was successful in 2003, it's because he had more experience, career year role players like Damp and Cardinal who brought inside presence on D and O, 2nd chance points, extra posessions and high % shooting. Clif Robinson, the one time all-star, 6th man of the year, and two time NBA all defensive 2nd team, was also a big factor if you consider he could lock down most power forwards in the post and he also scored some and passed the ball well (especially to start the break). We had Nick Van Exel (one time-allstar) and Claxton who could drive against the zone and actually shoot off the dribble and run a fastbreak. The two years we've had Monty, he's had to play guys that just absolutely sucked because that's the hand he was dealt. If he's going to pull a Musselman type coup against general management and find his guys, it's the same result. It won't fix the fact we have guys that don't run point guard or center the right way and their backups aren't much better. Center and point guard are the MOST important positions on the floor because you got the quickest/most experienced guy on the court who runs the plays and the biggest/strongest guy on the court who enforces the middle. We've got some of the poorest position players in the league in this respect.

We shouldn't change coaches unless we got a team. Right now we don't have a team. If Montgomery can get a real team to win at least more games than they lose, and people still feel he's underachieving, then we can get a new coach. Right now, we don't have a team so what makes us think we can get a good coach that wants to put up with a team he can't win with? Stan Van Gundy wouldn't even talk to us.

BTW this whole Babcock example thing is different from Montgomery because Babcock was in charge of getting the players for the coach. Look at what he did with that center pick Rafael Araujo. That guy had bust written all over him and he went and got him at #8 despite draft reports he could have gotten him lower.

 

I can't believe a cruel twist of fate delivered us a full roster of guys unable to play the game,unwilling to execute a functional strategy. I do not see the sort of slackers and prima donnas the Knicks are stuck with. i do not see a whole team of babboons unable to grasp concepts a typical high school team employs. meanwhile i just don't see what Monty brings thats a plus. I see a team built to run,use its depth,and a coach who is still waiting for the day when Fish and Dunceleavy combine for 30% from the arc. You think feeding a big man in the paint is like building the Great Wall of China. We got guys who convert 50%,60%,but it's the 25% 3pt chuck that is our trademark. we have the only guy outside of the wheelchair league who thinks you play small AND slow the pace.

I see plain evidence in EVERY game now thayt Monta IS ALREADY a better PG than Fish. Fish has to have everything grind to a halt before he passes. monta spots the best target on the run and delivers...makes it simple,quick,effective. the difference there is everything.

Murphy has been asked to bulk up,to shoot 3's to be cautious about fouls,but there's 2 sides to each coin and now he's to blame for altering to comply with what the team wants. Monty has no idea what to do with him. Monty hardly seems able to even learn from the things that happen in front of him. The "Plan" keeps regressing back to what has been worst. Baron thought we should push the tempo. Well ...Duh? We all can see that. When we ran...we won. Monty however wanted to manage things use his X's and O's,to replace the mistakes of aggression with stagnation and pointless choreography. Well done. What a masterpiece. We are at the level of the Toronto Raptors for crissake! We have a young team with the talent going backwards. How has Monty improved Pietrus,Zarko since this point last year? Has he improved Ike since that Detroit breakout? Has he yet seen fit to let Monta be the PG,Biedrens to play a full half? He ain't got the Nads to win.

 

If you hitch 10 horses to a wagon and get a driver...and the wagon is zig-zagging and going in circles,do you shoot all 10 horses and get a new team. No. You shoot the driver and get one who knows how to drive a wagon in a straight line.

A GOOD coach fixes players with flaws or brings a system able to hide flaws.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">I do not see a whole team of babboons unable to grasp concepts a typical high school team employs. meanwhile i just don't see what Monty brings thats a plus.
</div> I see a system that can work if if the point guard can just run some plays from time to time and the whole team is executing. That often takes a while, especially if there's no inside presence and your outside shooters aren't all-around shooters. The ball tends to stay on the outside with nowhere to go.

I see a Warriors team that can't shoot free throws ever since Arenas/Boykins/Jamison left and we've lost several games because of this. I see a team with a center that can't even catch a pass right to his hands or catch rebounds. I see a team that blows second chance point opportunities. I see a team that fails to box out at the free throw line or defend in transition or keep guys in front of them. I see a team who is so young, we can't possibly expect them to fill in starter's minutes just because we saw what they did in limited action. It's the same fool's gold route we saw with Pietrus and Foyle trying to fill in as starters. They ain't starters. In fact this whole team has no real starters. Observations based on per 48 minute play ain't what the real story is about and as much as I like Pietrus, he still ain't a consistent or trustworthy ball player yet.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">
I see a team built to run,use its depth,and a coach who is still waiting for the day when Fish and Dunceleavy combine for 30% from the arc. You think feeding a big man in the paint is like building the Great Wall of China. We got guys who convert 50%,60%,but it's the 25% 3pt chuck that is our trademark. we have the only guy outside of the wheelchair league who thinks you play small AND slow the pace.
</div> First of all, what running game? Has anyone seen Fisher try to run a fastbreak? He's horrible at pushing the ball or making any kind of decisions without resorting to a turnover, a charge, or a long missed jumper which he often does when he puts the ball on the floor first. The alternative is to play a fresh out of high school shooting guard trying to play point and probably knows less than we think he does. The alternative for big men is Ike who is still learning this year (and keep in mind "learning" doesn't mean throwing this guy out there like fans often think will help). Then Biedrins who hasn't been able to stay out of foul trouble or find a way to hold an nba big man in the post without causing a foul or getting shoved off the block. He also shoots worse than Shaq at the foul line.

People forget that Monta Ellis is a 19 year old rookie still learning point guard. If he was a point guard all his life, then we can talk, but he's not. There's a reason why many coaches who have developed younger talent, don't play these guys right away especially if it's a setup position like point guard. It's for their own benefit and for the team's benefit. It's nothing that us fans would understand anyway because we're so emotionally caught up and tired of seeing these Warriors lose for over a decade, that we're jumping to conclusions or missing the fact the Warriors do not have a team.

Then also the argument is that we have depth. What depth? We got rookies or 2nd year players who are still in development who we only see limited action from. Nobody is holding these guys back except for the things the coaching staff knows about that we don't. We only assume that playing these guys more means the teamwork will be better and all of a sudden they'll start learning the right way to play. It doesn't work that way because our eyes are different. We're fans. We're not out there doing what these guys are doing for a living, so they should know what is the right method to develop a rookie without killing the guy's confidence or what the other guys are trying to accomplish as a semi-cohesive unit. The rookies' time will come when they can control foul trouble, learn how to play as a team, and do other stuff. 3-4 years in the league or not, some guys play like stinkin' rookies. With Ellis/Diogu, they are probably above anything that Biedrins or Diogu is showing, but they have to know how to play with the other guys and develop more.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">
I see plain evidence in EVERY game now thayt Monta IS ALREADY a better PG than Fish. Fish has to have everything grind to a halt before he passes. monta spots the best target on the run and delivers...makes it simple,quick,effective. the difference there is everything.
</div> I agree. But there's no hurry to rush this guy in there and put the franchise on his shoulders right away. He's a high schooler and not the Lebron or T-mac kind. Just look at the problems with Portland. Anytime you got rookies you need the vet presence there and patience... Besides with this season going nowhere, we might as well play Fisher (the poor example of a VETERAN point guard he is) and trade his ass as long as he's putting up good assist numbers. Plus, this whole thing is besides the point. Regardless if Fisher/Baron/whoever is out there, we ain't going to help this 4th quarter meltdown if the Warriors can't play as a team and go according to plan. They don't play good defense and they are not a great offensive team when it comes to manufacturing offense off isolations or as a motion offense. When they get to the line, they brick free throws and absolutely shoot themselves in the foot at times.

It's like a dog trainer trying to teach stupid dogs how to shake, but they can't do it. I ain't blaming the dog trainer here. I believe the Warriors team just can't do these things because they are so undisciplined to settle for long jumpers, they lack the ability to get anything done inside to make plays work, and they've never played like a team for 12 seasons. That's the real proof. Show me a team that could make the playoffs and I'll believe the Warriors really did underachieve. If the warriors underachieved this season it was the players and the coach can't control his players not living up to expectations. The 2003 team was definitely better than 04 or 05 because at least we had strong rebounders on that team, guys who knew what the f they were doing, and more guys that could at least stay honest on the defensive end (Only Dunleavy and Jrich got killed badly on man-to-man D but our interior D was superb).

There's a reason why donut teams don't go very far. We're a donut team this year. Nothing in the middle. Plus our perimeter D is nothing to shout about. That's why we're stuck playing zone.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">
Murphy has been asked to bulk up,to shoot 3's to be cautious about fouls,but there's 2 sides to each coin and now he's to blame for altering to comply with what the team wants. Monty has no idea what to do with him. Monty hardly seems able to even learn from the things that happen in front of him. The "Plan" keeps regressing back to what has been worst. Baron thought we should push the tempo. Well ...Duh? We all can see that. When we ran...we won. Monty however wanted to manage things use his X's and O's,to replace the mistakes of aggression with stagnation and pointless choreography. Well done. What a masterpiece. We are at the level of the Toronto Raptors for crissake! We have a young team with the talent going backwards. How has Monty improved Pietrus,Zarko since this point last year? Has he improved Ike since that Detroit breakout? Has he yet seen fit to let Monta be the PG,Biedrens to play a full half? He ain't got the Nads to win.</div>
That is not why we won. Maybe it's how we won last season when games didn't matter anymore. We won because we actually played defense and we played a higher % offensive game than we did now when guys stopped running plays. There were times when making free throws and guys like Foyle and Dunleavy having good games that were the biggest difference on the game's outcome. Yet we can't even have those things go well consistently. Foyle and Dunleavy are enigmas and the foul shooting in late game situations has been ridiculous. Free throw shooting from your small guys is supposed to be fundamental. To me it shows that this team is weak mentally and it can't posess any true go-to guys if they can't score the easy points in addition to making the wide open jumpers.

We can criticize the coach all we want, but in the end, the players have only themselves to blame why they can't play consistent or develop some polish to their game. This team is a young team and we're expecting too much from guys still learning to play the NBA game and a lot of them can't even shoot (Pietrus free throws/ lack of midrange game, Zarko lack of shooting, lack of ability to post up and rebound, Diogu can't rebound and doesn't know plays, Monta Ellis can't shoot very well just yet, has some flaws in his ballhandling and isn't as familar with the team). While it's certainly that time of year where we scapegoat certain individuals, it's the poor team design that is the real culprit. In addition, it's coupled with bad contracts, guys with no true positions, and inexperience.

Who the heck said we could actually run? We can't run because we have no guys who can push the ball the way Baron Davis does (even then you don't want to run the hell out of him so he re-injures himself before the playoffs, but too late for that). We simply can't run because we don't even play transition D or defend the rim, we can't finish at the rim inside or rebound the ball well like the Suns. We can't run the halfcourt because we have no inside presence, offensive rebounders, or guys who can stay in front to avoid playing zone defense. You need to be a quick team with all around skill and the ability to play big if we're running. Baron/Fish/Richardson/Dunleavy/Foyle/Murphy ain't the same as Nash/Bell/Diaw/Marion/Kurt Thomas. How many stars do we have? How many aggressive players do we have that can actually shoot and handle the ball through defenses and make good decisions and defend?

It often takes more than two years for a team to get used to playing within a system in which they've never played before. Give it time and especially time to upgrade the poor roster we have where it's either stone hands or outside jumpers, no inside presence. No dribble penetrators. No defense coming from the 3 positions any time on the floor. No inside/outside ball movement. No shooting skill to at least keep games honest at the foul line. No shooting skill to knock down wide open jumpers or to spot up when defenders are packing in the lane to stop dribble penetration.

The reason I'm so persistent in that it's the team and not the coach is because I believe this team was not a very good team to begin with. It was a low percentage team. We didn't have the Nuggets here with good big men, pure point guards, and a scoring machine that could at least average 2-5 more points per game if he had made free throws. If we had the Grizzlies roster or the Hornets (where they have at least some inside presence and some shooters) and we lost, then I could blame Montgomery. This whole Warriors team from the very beginning was overrated, flawed and too many excited hopefuls got caught up from last season when we started winning when games didn't mean anything. So what if Dunleavy was nailing 3 pointers or Zarko was a gamer at center, the games didn't mean anything. It's a players game. Blame the players. Let's wait and see what this coach can do with guys who can run his plays and especially at point guard. Get rid of the bad players on this team and keep the coach, not the other way around. I don't care if bad players take awhile to get rid of, what about the coach needing a while to assemble a good bunch of players he can command?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">If you hitch 10 horses to a wagon and get a driver...and the wagon is zig-zagging and going in circles,do you shoot all 10 horses and get a new team. No. You shoot the driver and get one who knows how to drive a wagon in a straight line.

A GOOD coach fixes players with flaws or brings a system able to hide flaws.</div>
Nice anaology.

Heres' mine: If you have 8 out of 10 gimped horses, they ain't going anywhere with any driver. Period. If the horses ain't moving, why is it safe to assume the driver is at fault when his horses are gimped? This is what I'm talking about in finger pointing. Blame the real culprit rather than a minor culprit.

You might as well shoot all the gimped horses. Keep the driver. Keep the good horses.

 

Yeah right, dump Montgomery on his ass. From day one the guy was completely clueless. Spacing sucks, substitutions suck, shot selection sucks, defense sucks, free throws suck. Can't hide behind that roster excuse, it's a gimme to play .500 ball with Baron Davis and Richardson in a fast tempo offense right? Right.

How long are you willing to wait for this guy to "get it"? It's been 2 years. I hate Musselman but it only took him around 40 games to get a feel for the game. You can count on Montgomery to COLLAPSE everytime in the 4th. Whadda joke. Either win the game or don't, if he can't then shine my shoes and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

 

WAIT WAIT I have an analogy.

Fisher is the worst player to ever wear a Warrior uniform. Ok not an analogy but a fact.

IF you put fisher on the floor with 4 other players vs another team of 5 what do you get?


4 on 5

 

I agree with CR2 on this one. Face it the Warriors roster is just incredibly flawed. Not saying Monty isn't also at fault, but no matter who is the coach this team wasn't going anywhere this season. Not Monty's fault that this team finds way to choke in the fourth quarter in almost every single game. The team has been in position to win a lot of games but the players haven't exactly made the plays. When a team blows a large lead entering the 4th that is the players fault imo. But I guess you can blame Monty's sub patterns, but that's not really the problem. It's all about confidence and this team lost it early in the season.

But yeah, someone made a good point a few posts above, I think it was CR2. We might as well keep the same coach until the warriors can put together a decent team.

Thought the regression of Pietrus and Zarko worries me a bit, mainly if it has something to do with Monty.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">...Foyle said chemistry among players are great, but because the coach experimented so many ways, they struggled to adapt. In other word, players have no idea what Monty is doing.</div>

Yeah, Foyle would have averaged a triple double this year if only he knew what Monty was trying to do. But Monty didn't give him a clear game plan this year so instead he sucked a$$.

I don't give a crap how good you feel about your coach's plan: either you catch the pass when it's thrown to you, or it goes right through your butter fingers and bounces off your forehead.

Foyle could be the player-coach of this team and he'd still drop 90% of the passes thrown to him. He'd still suck a$$.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">Thought the regression of Pietrus and Zarko worries me a bit, mainly if it has something to do with Monty.</div>

I agree that Pietrus has regressed, or at least stalled in terms of development.

But Zarko hasn't regressed IMO. He just hasn't had playing time. YOu know exactly what you're going to get from him. Albeit sometimes his jumpers fall, sometimes they don't. But he's a smart basketball player.

Pietrus? You never know WTF you're going to get with that guy. He's a loose cannon.

I think Zarko can very well progress and become better and better. If he could add some muscle to that frame, while keping that finesse touch, man that would be awesome.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AlleyOop:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, Foyle would have averaged a triple double this year if only he knew what Monty was trying to do. But Monty didn't give him a clear game plan this year so instead he sucked a$$.

I don't give a crap how good you feel about your coach's plan: either you catch the pass when it's thrown to you, or it goes right through your butter fingers and bounces off your forehead.

Foyle could be the player-coach of this team and he'd still drop 90% of the passes thrown to him. He'd still suck a$$.</div>

I don't know what Foyle's quote was, but according to what Kwan wrote, "Foyle said chemistry among players are great, but because the coach experimented so many ways, THEY(the players plural) struggled to adapt" But yeah Foyle has lacked in the skill area for a long time now, it doesn't matter who the coach is, his skills won't change, but the impact he can have on a team and a game can though. But according to Kwan's interpertation, I am taking it Foyle was talking for the whole team in this case, at least the players.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Gohn:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with CR2 on this one. Face it the Warriors roster is just incredibly flawed. Not saying Monty isn't also at fault, but no matter who is the coach this team wasn't going anywhere this season. Not Monty's fault that this team finds way to choke in the fourth quarter in almost every single game. The team has been in position to win a lot of games but the players haven't exactly made the plays. When a team blows a large lead entering the 4th that is the players fault imo. But I guess you can blame Monty's sub patterns, but that's not really the problem. It's all about confidence and this team lost it early in the season.</div>

Every team in the NBA has flaws. Not every team is going to have players that click. That is why teams have coaches. Obviously this roster is kind of a make-shift roster that doesn't follow a certain text-book identity, yet the identity that the players and coaches tried to make for it was awful. What talent do the Warriors lack that makes them the second worst team in the Western Confrence behind the Hornets, TWolves, Sonics, and the Jazz? The only other Western Confrence team that has underachieved as much as the Warriors, is the Rockets, but they had some bad injury problems the whole year.

The problem with the Warriors is that they tried to get too much production out of only four guys the whole year(or mainly just the big contract players), and put too little faith and did not give enough chances for the bench players to perform. This whole year the team has been mainly about Derek Fisher, Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, and possibly Troy Murphy if you want to throw him in there(along with Dunleavy and Foyle who received arguably more PT than they deserve(d)). In this case, it is a no brainer that there would seem to be some type of roster malfunction or just a mess with flaws. This is where the team started to fall badly, when it seemed to abandon its bench. The roster is set up so that the bench players complement the starters in filling areas in which the starts struggle. After two seasons, it seems as if Mike Montgomery still hasn't figured this out. How many time outs does he make when the 5 on the court is struggling and he doesn't make one substitution? How many times does he choose to leave Fisher in there to guard some quick guard that he can't keep up with while Ellis and Pietrus are on the bench?

It's also easy to lose confidence when after games the coach just says, well I don't know what went wrong, I guess our guys just didn't make the plays and the other team did, I don't know what to do about this.- This is an example of poor leadership and a great way for players to lose confidence in themselves and the coach.