GET YOUR SHIT OUT OF HERE https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...us-covid-19-death-toll-likely-higher-reported
You do not know that as a fact and it has been studied and shown that the amount of deaths is greater than what is being reported. If cases are greater than reported then it's logical deaths are greater than reported as many deasths have been attributed to other causes. Truth doesn't care about your feelings.
So...If you see what the articles say, they suggest a variety of guesses, but mostly from 6% to 14% of the population might have it. Not sure where you're getting the 50 to 80X's there. Let's go with 15%. 15% of 330 million is about 50 million. If there's 50 million people who have the flu, it's expected that about 50K people would die. So far, we have more than 50K people dying. 20% is 66K. Still lower. 30% is 90K. Finally higher. So to meet the same death rate of the flu, Covid would need at least a min of 25% infected citizens. And those articles gave estimates of 5%-15%, not 25%-30%.
The USC and Stanford study had the 50-85x confirmed infected. The New York and Florida are population percentages. That was only being 2 months into the season. Let’s see where the numbers land with more antibodies testing, which should have results at the end of this month.
I think the issue is, you're confusing math here. It's like going from 1 to 2. That's a 200% increase. That doesn't mean things are 200% across the board. It's not how it works. It's weird how you are so hell bent on downplaying this, as if it's some conspiracy against Trump and it's your god given duty to defend it.
Is it that? Or is it people can't agree on which variables matter and which to leave out? Just like politics, if you leave something out that could hurt your agenda. It paints your points to look far better than if you were to include it.
I mean, if you don't believe me, question Dr. Fauci. When asked if its contagiousness are worse than the flu, Fauci emphatically said, “Well yes, I mean it just is, and we’ve gotta face that fact.”
You seem to be ignoring the % they gave at the end, just so you can trumpet out (no pun intended) the "55X" number because it sounds like it would support your argument better. It's another one of your fallacies that you bring out in every argument/discussion you're in. If the big argument is that they were underselling the total #'s by 55%. I get that. But you seem to be missing the point that would extrapolate to approx 5% of the county. You don't do 50-85X the total # of cases known in the US to get the total #. You go with the end # (the 5%) as the total number. You're missing a step in the equation, because either you don't want to admit you were wrong about something, don't actually know how statistics work, or just like big shiny numbers.
Another logical fallacy, arguing against a point that A: no one has made and B: doesn't actually back what you initially said in any way shape or form.
Except it does support my case. My statement: Covid-19 does not have a higher percentage of mortality. Covid-19 is way more infectious than the flu. Covid-19 is a deadlier virus.
Here's where your double speak exposes you for being either purposely trying to double speak or you are completely unaware that you are talking out of both sides of the argument. Thing is, there are these things called #'s. 80K in 2 months means it's deadlier than the Flu over the same period of time. About a 6th of the country gets the flu each year (approx 50 million). Of that #, about 50K will die. So right now, for the 2 month period of the massive covid 19 outbreak, we're already at 80K deaths. So you seem to be arguing that Covid has an INSANELY higher infectious rate. Like, for 80K to die in as short of a time frame as it has been, they'd need something like 90 million people *already* infected. Here, I'll give it another way. The flu death rate averages out to about .001% (62k deaths for 59m illnesses = .001%. 62k deaths for 39m illnesses = .0016%. 24k deaths for 59m = .0004% and 24k deaths for 39m = .0006%). If 80K people have died already, we'd need about 80 million people infected for it to be at the same general % of the flu. If it's 80 million people right now, thats a *quarter* of the country is sick. And I hate to break it to you, but a quarter of us aren't sick. Those #'s don't add up to the AT THE MOST 15% off those articles are implying. And that's if it has the same mortality rate as the flu does. If the infectious rate is higher, as you admit to being the case, that would mean an even HIGHER % of people would be sick. And that after we spent the last 2 months quarantining and being super super cautious. Your #'s don't add up.
The mortality rate of Covid-19 is about 35 times the mortality rate of the flu. The official mortality rate of the flu is about 0.1% while the observed mortality rate of Covid-19 is about 3.5%. I can come up with documentation on those figures. I guess I'll have to ask for documentation of your numbers.
Actually no. Dr. Fauci said there was an alarming 52% of infected were asymptomatic. They have no symptoms, develop antibodies and can still spread the disease.
that number is meaningless in relation to the argument you're making. It's like you think you can just throw numbers out there and it makes your argument more sound.
