Science Covid Vs. the Flu....apples to oranges?

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  1. riverman

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    proof that facts don't have feelings !
     
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    If more cases are tallied while the total number of deaths stays stagnant, that equals a lower mortality rate. This is according to the definition of “mortality rate”.

    Are you actually arguing against this??? It is extremely rudimentary math.

    I don’t know the validity of the antibodies studies, but it’s pretty fucking obvious what mags was suggesting.

    IF the total number of deaths is X and the total number of infected is Y, that leaves you with a mathematical percentage of deaths BASED ON THE OVERALL NUMBER OF INFECTIONS.

    Still following?

    IF, hypothetically, the total number of infections is found to be HIGHER when the number of death is the SAME, the mortality rate would prove to be LOWER.

    That isn’t some biased Trump- lovin’ opinion, it’s just math.
     
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    Learn the statistics, then post
     
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    I’m fucking amazed right now. People are in here contesting basic math and getting likes for it.
     
  5. calvin natt

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    I don’t think everyone is on the same page. I think everyone understands the math.
     
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    You ever take a statistics class?

    Very fun and I know you would enjoy it. You can use math to prove and disprove the same thing.
     
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    I understand what you’re saying, but it’s really not skewing statistics in this case. Of course the validity of the antibody studies is contestable, I won’t argue that for a second. Im just saying the definition of a “mortality rate” is based on set parameters, the equation doesn’t change. Some are arguing over the the validity of the the variables, which is fair, but the basis for which a “mortality rate” is determined does not change.
     
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    Until she tried to make you a cousin.
     
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    Since no one knows the numerator, and no one knows the denominator, it makes perfect sense to argue about what the result is.

    barfo
     
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    So, do I have it right that if you think it’s worse than the flu you’re a Democrat and sworn to home isolation until the end of time, and if you think it’s no worse than the flu you’re a Republican, genuflect to The Donald’s image each morning, and stride out each morning to face that sissie virus without a mask?

    It’s so important to keep to the appropriate group opinions.
     
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    Polling says yes, you have it about right.

    barfo
     
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    What about the independents?
     
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    That's making two big assumptions:
    The total number of infections is significantly higher and
    The total number of deaths is a fixed number currently known.
    What does it matter what number are infected but show no symptoms? Couldn't you say the same for the flu?
    What we care about is the number that show symptoms and the number that die as a result.
     
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    Who’s we? Look up the definition of mortality rate, it doesn’t say anything about symptoms. You’re either infected or you’re not.
     
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    In Oregon the % of deaths have gone down with an increase of testing, which is a good thing.
     
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    I don't need to look anything up as I implied in my post. Why? Because it doesn't really help define the situation in regard to the relative death rates between the flu and Covid-19.
     
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    Oregon Health Authority | COVID-19 Updates
    Daily Repoprt
    They track Positive and assumed covid without a positive if patient has symptoms.

    Check out the two areas of Demographics & additional data.
    There is also a a weekly report that you will find interesting.

    The Dow was up 700 a 1/2 hour ago...
     
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    I still own a few stocks for sentimental reasons so I'm happy to see the uptick.
     
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    I'm staying home as much as possible, only travelling to the grocery and liquor store.
     
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