Pau seems to be borderline there. And most have said we'd need a healthy Oden to win anyways. If healthy, he's likely top 3 at his position, and Roy. So we'd have our two. Also I'd add that at the time Boston won there title, I don't know if Pierece or Allen would be considered top 3 at their position. Maybe Garnett.
This is a talk worthy conversation. Obviously this is not going to be as simple as that. There will be other factors involved such as who else are we losing other than Batum to get CP3 and do we have to take on Okafor?? same is true for the Tony Parker scenario. We're keeping Batum, but who do we send out? are we taking in a bad contract too along with Eva Longoria (I mean Tony Parker)?? But I agree with OddEnormous, CP3, Roy, SF, Aldridge, Oden. Thinking about it makes me salivate LoL
As much as I hate to admit it, he was playing some great basketball. I'm not sure which PF's I would take over him this last year. I hope you're right about Oden. I think he has the potential, I just hope he reaches his potential to be that superstar. Roy is right there on the border of top 3. I hope he can stay there (or improve, but that is unlikely). Adding CP3 guarantees us at least one superstar in exchange for a couple good players. I think you have to take that opporunity. I would say Pierce and Garnett qualified at the time they won their title. Not anymore.
I'd reluctantly give up LMA AND Batum for CP3, because we'd have a Big Three worthy of taking on anyone. I'm not nearly as enamored of Parker's game.
Of course CP3 would be fantastic get...but getting Parker w\o having to give up Batum? I would be very happy with that as well.....
I'd rather we asked, which is better: CP3 and Batum or Tony Parker and LMA? Not that I think New Orleans would go for LMA and his contract, but it's certainly a question I enjoy answering a lot more.
Right then, this thread is silly. Enough of that! I say, stop that! We all know either Parker or CP3 would be a huge coup. No need to debate which is more of a benefit to the team.
If you have to trade Batum (likely) to get CP3...you do it and you don't look back on it.... If you have to trade Batum & LA to get CP3....I would do it...reluctantly...but getting Okafor back to fill that PF spot would be prefered..... If you have to trade Batum & Oden for CP3....I would not do it.... As for Parker, anyone outside of the big 3 and Batum I would deal in a heartbeat..... Would I deal Batum for him? Maybe, Personally I would much rather deal Aldridge for him, particularly if I could set up a deal with Miller for a PF.....IMO Parker is a much better 2nd option than Aldridge... The thing is both players are likely to leave thier teams as FA.....The problem is you have one team, San Antonio who realizes this and will likely be PRO-active....and Parker is a FA next season...and you have another team which is in chaos and denial? in regards to Paul, who will be a FA in 2 years and WILL leave.....and by the time they realize the finality of this, they may be in a RE-active mode where they have to try and get something for him and won't be able to maximize the value they could\should get for him... That is why as much as I would like to see CP3 here, Parker to me appears much more realistic to acquire....
If it's Oden, LMA, Roy, CP.... You don't actually even need a good 3. IN fact you could probably take the floor with those 4 players and win 50 games.
I would. Luckily I don't think we'll have to. If you can get CP without giving up Oden we are in fucking business. GO almost becomes a luxury player that we don't NEED to contend. You can deal with the injury thing should it happen again. Right now (Without CP) we need every bit of a healthy GO to even dream of contending. If the CP thing ends up passing us in the night, I'm not sure I'll be able to recover. This is it. This is the moment we need to step up and make a big BIG move to become championship caliber and change the course of the franchise.
First of all, I am completely on the CP3 bandwagon and believe that you have to make the deal to get him. However, Tony Parker has won in this league at the highest level. The stars of that team were Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu. I would rate TP above Manu. So, at the very least he played Pau to Duncan's Kobe. I still think this is a legit debate. Basically considering if Roy is the kind of player that can lead a team to a championship, then you put in "lesser" stars around him to put you over the top. Parker, Roy, Batum, LMA, and Oden would be a great lineup. How much better is Paul, Roy, Babbit, LMA, and Oden? If you think that Roy is a star that can lead a team to a championship, then you need the players that complement him. If Roy isn't that kind of star and you consider Paul a superstar, then by this same reasoning you would have to consider trading Roy and others to get Paul. Paul, Fernandez, Batum, LMA, and Oden anyone? And, yes, I know that NO is trying to dump salary so they probably don't take Roy back unless we trade expirings for the Okafor salary... I just hope we make a deal that gets us better...
No you wouldn't. I don't think Roy is that player. He's close, but just short of being one. I think Paul IS one of those players. It doesn't in any way shape or form mean you have to trade Roy to get him though. (If reports are to be believed) BTW I would trade Roy for Paul. Once again, the good news is I don't think we'll have to.
I think the only reason you would consider it would be if it were a deal-breaker, ie, if New Orleans would only trade Paul to us if Roy were coming back, but not otherwise. However, as you said, that wouldn't be the case, due in no small part to the fact that Roy's contract is currently richer, and consequently even more abhorrent to New Orleans, than Paul's is.
As it stands, NOH is not going to get superstars unless they draft them. Superstar FAs are more likely to come to POR than NO, and that's not saying much. As it stands, Chris Paul is gone in July 2012 anyway, when he opts out. If they trade Paul for Roy, they have a perennial All-star locked up through 2015, at the cost of a superstar who will be gone in 2012. And they have to spend at least 40M dollars a year anyway, so might as well spend them on perennial all-stars than on the Okafors of the world going forward.
I agreed almost word for word except for the bolded bit. NOH knows they are melting down and Paul will be dealt no later then Draft day 2011 IMO.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=23czwdz PG: Paul/Johnson/Mills SG: Matthews/Williams/Batum SF: Batum/Cunningham/Babbit/Wright PF: LMA/Okafor/Camby C: Oden/Camby/Okafor That team has incredible defense and offense with a strong bench. Might be the better trade then gutting our team to pair up Roy and CP3. Oden and LMA would light the sky on fire offensively with CP3 and Batum and Matthews would keep Oden in the game. Our front court rotation would be absolutely sick Oden/Camby/LMA/Okafor with shit tons of length. Fuck maybe this is the move? My only concern would be who is the closer?
Our issue currently, or one of them, is having a legit second scorer who can easily get you a basket when you need one. Who is it on your lineup? Paul might get Aldridge easy baskets, but our team struggled in the playoffs because teams were able to key on one guy(Roy) and if he was taken out, nobody stepped up. So if they do that with your team, where have we actually improved?
