Dame all but demanding vet roster

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Only if you read them as serious
     
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    What??!! You mean some people post hyperbolic, crazy stuff on here that they don’t totally mean? NO!!
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    I think he's spilling truth and he seemed excited about it.
     
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    Like about 90% of my posts. Pretty much everything except the Tanking and Sheed. I'm dead serious about that shit. Well.... Kind of.
     
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    Pretty sure he’s joking.
     
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    Someone made this argument on Twitter, and it's extremely well-reasoned:

    If Dame is advocating proven players over draftees because he wants to have a better chance, you can't then say "keep Chauncey" when you have proven championship-level coaches like Williams, Budenholzer and Nurse available. You don't even have to trade anything to get them.

    I'm not even a fire Chauncey guy, but, if that's the way you want to take the Blazers, the consistent move for that plan would be to replace Billups with a proven coach.
     
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    Could have been me you were reading
     
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    Dame knows that it's talented veterans with a splash of youth and a good mix that win at all levels. Yeah the coach is somewhat important, but it mostly the players and some luck that win championships.
     
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    to expand on that by looking at the remaining playoff teams:

    Lakers - Lebron/AD/ Shroeder/Russell have 45 years of experience; they have mixed in some youth with Rui & Vanderbilt. And especially with the amazing luck they've had with Reaves, who seems like the perfect complementary player to Lebron and AD

    Denver - Jokic (8)/Murray (6)/Gordon (9)/KCP (10)/Porter (4)....that's an average of 8 years experience for their starters. And in the playoffs their bench has essentially been Brown (5), Green (15), and Braun (1)

    Miami - Butler (12)/Adebayo (6)/Strus (4), Vincent (4)/Love (15)....with a bench of Martin (4), Lowry (17), Robinson (5), Zeller (10)

    Philly - Embiid (7)/Harden (14)/Maxey (3)/Harris (12)/Tucker (12)....with a playoff bench of Melton (5), Niang (7), Reed (3)

    Boston - Tatum (6)/Brown (7)/Horford (16)/White (6)/Smart (9)....with a bench of Brogdon (7), Williams (5), Williams (4)

    so you're right, there just isn't much youth on the contenders; at least not within the shortened playoff rotations. That doesn't mean that some youth didn't help the team in getting to the playoffs. Just means that when games count, experience matters....a lot, especially to coaches

    obviously, Dame knows this and so he'd much rather see an addition of Siakam or Bridges or Brown than Brandon Miller or one of the Thompson twins. Whether or not that's good for the Blazers, long term, is another matter. Wemby is obviously a different kettle, but a 90% chance it won't be him
     
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    Nice job!
     
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    And the Raptors and Bucks had plenty of seasoned vets on their teams. Imran they didn't take the next step until they traded assets for veterans, just like Dame & Joe want to do.
     
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    Is Ed Davis washed up? I feel like he’s be good in a vet role like what Juwan Howard played for us. Not heavy minutes, but a good presence and won’t make dumb mistakes. Not saying as a needle mover, but minimum contract vet to have at the end of the bench.
     
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    I think Drew is ok in that role.
     
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    No, he’s not
     
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    More than likely something you posted.
     
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    I’m a fan of Eubanks. I think he’s the perfect backup roll player. He doesn’t need plays run for him, but when he does shoot, they’re high percentage shots (64.1% fg). He plays solid d (1.3 blocks in 20 mpg), sets great screens without picking up a bunch of silly fouls, and is a willing passer.

    Every team needs a hard working roll player like Eubanks. I love to see his effort.
     
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    I agree

    Last season, among rotational Blazers,

    * Eubanks was 3rd in PER
    * 2nd in TS%
    * 4th in FT Rate
    * 1st in offensive rebound rate
    * 2nd in rebound rate
    * 1st in block rate
    * 2nd in winshares
    * 2nd in winshares/48
    * 5th in offensive +/-
    * 2nd in defensive =/-
    * 2nd in total +/-
    * and 3rd in Value over replacement

    but he was 12th on the team in salary with a vet minimum

    gauged statistically and by impact, Eubanks was a stud being paid like a scrub
     

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