Dame all but demanding vet roster

A week ago we were talking Ant/3 for Brown, now it’s WCJ? Depressing.

 

I will be so pissed if we trade the pick just to trade it and get back less or even slightly less value and Miller becomes an all star in 3 years. Of course I don’t believe the current owner, gm, or coach will still be here to hold accountable so what the fuck ever. I fully expect to be underwhelmed this offseason

 

I like the first part of your plan but smh at the second as thats way too much for OG. IMO he's a pretty average wing with consistent issues staying healthy. I'd much rather let the scouting staff roll the dice with those picks in this deep draft and pull a future starter and rotation player or package one of those picks with Nurk's overbloated salary for something useful now that he's been replaced by WCJ.

STOMP

 

In that scenario whose contracts would Totonto take for matching salaries for OG? Nurk would be perfect but they really like Poeltl. Do they want both?

 

I don't think the Blazers will trade 3

 

To be fair... It's WCJ (who makes Nurk tradeable), OG who... ehhh, but is at least a starter, and hopefully 6 or 11 retained (agree with the others who say that both picks for OG would be awful). And this is all potentially as some fallout from the Miller situation which may be devaluing the 3rd pick a touch?

Hopefully the package "for OG" could become "for Pascal" or other better options...

It's not a 2nd star, but WCJ, OG, a lotto pick and the ability to move Nurk + future picks seems to check a lot of boxes for what many of us were wanting (bolstered bench, added talent, etc.). It also continues the dual timeline building, given WCJ, OG, lotto pick's age...

Don't love it, but we could do worse, is what I'm saying.

 

Wow. Now THAT is a hot take.

 

it's not that hot, I've been saying it for weeks, and moving up to 3rd has made it less likely, not more likely, IMO. I have always assumed the ancillary asset(s) needed on top of the 3rd pick will make it too costly to move.

* Masai Ujiri in Toronto, by all accounts, is an idiot. And it very well may be that HJ was right when he said Portland will have nothing to do with Toronto after the OG discussions a year ago. I don't think the Blazers are alone in that view either. There's been a ton of chatter for two years about Toronto needing and wanting to trade players, and they haven't moved anybody of note yet

* while I think Brooklyn's stance of not being interested in trading Bridges is in part, setting a reserve price as a starting point, I have always thought they'd ask way too much

* and while I think Brown has been the most 'obtainable', I still think the price will be too high considering there's no chance for a S&T and the risk of him walking

but there's another reason for the difference we have in perspective: I do not believe Cronin and Schmitz are idiots; and I don't believe Dame is blind and unreasonable. All that's not to say the 3 won't be moved. I just think the odds are against it just like I thought Portland was not going to move 7 last year. Picks are at their lowest value in years and prime top end talent is at it's highest

 

....+ #6/#11 and whomever you draft or what you get from them. Brown was for #3 AND we would have to include something else.

 

Somewhat of a minor quibble, since I agree with the larger premise that drafting and keeping #3 is a fairly likely outcome, but Masai Ujiri is anything but an idiot. I can promiseyou that. If anything he's too smart for his own good.

Is he brash? Definitely. Does he have an ego -- especially post-championship? Absolutely yes. Is he overplaying his hand with OG and Pascal and struggling to rebuild a foundation post-Kawhi? It certainly seems so. But I promise you he's not an idiot...

 

ok...he's not an idiot, just acting like one when it comes to the value of his own assets vs other team's assets

 

He was cherry picking the trade to make it sound as bad as possible. Must mean it sounded good.

 

I think those moves would be a great offseason. Love to be able to keep #11. Add on another talent from #23 and I think that team has a window that opens in a year and stays open as long as Dame continues to excel.

Dame-Shaedon-OG-Grant-WCJ

Mays-Thybulle-Little-Walker-#11(Hendricks, Wallace, Hawkins, Lively)-Reddish-TWat-Eubanks-Badji-#23(Coulibaly, Nnaji, Vukcevic, Sasser)-#43(Jackson-Davis, Holmes-Prosper-Edey)

Move Nurk + Nas for a bag of game balls (backup center or backup pg)

I know it goes against Dame's demands, but this is an opportunity for this team like it hasn't had...maybe ever.

 

i would advocate using the Payton TPE along with 2nd(s) jn attempting to acquire delon wright from washington to secure vet defense and point guard for our back court rotation. wrights size, defensive chops and playmaking would allow him to play along side any of dame, shaedon or simons, depending on who is still here. i believe this veteran would be a satisfactory move to dame.
another vet whom i would like to pursue with part of the MLE would be torrey craig who has the size and 3-d skill sets to be another key bench piece at the 3/4.
the list of 4/5's would include jamicheal green, dario saric, and perhaps kevin love.
size at the straight 5 backup slot should be one of alex len, mason plumlee, thomas bryant or bismack biyumbo, all of whom should be reasonably priced vets available in free agency.

 

It would be nice to put one of those TPE's to good use for once.

 

I might throw Lively in there. Depends on the likelihood of him having any offensive game

 

Im thinking Little + Johnson to Detroit for Burks.

Burks is very underrated

 

Grant

but before him, I'm struggling to remember any since Lopez

 

Dude's a player. Be a nice bench addition.