Dame and CJ

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  1. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Of course, Leonard was supposed to emerge this year as the third scorer. Maybe Plums will get more looks as the season progresses.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I really like Plumlee, but I don't really see him as a third guy. If he had a really solid mid-range shot or something, maybe.

    Actually, what we need is a #2 scorer, because honestly I think CJ is too streaky to be the number two. He's an awesome number three. He's the Wes Matthews in this equation, but a much better all-around scorer than Wes.
     
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    Streaky? CJ has actually been very consistent so far. He's had 4 games over 25 pts, and every other game has been between 15-21. He's had just two games below 38% FG. I'll take that kind of streaky any day.
     
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    Streaky wasn't the right word. Experienced? I'd like to get a #2 guy who I know can put up 20+ points a night. We lost Aldridge and we still need to replace that production. How does CJ compare to Wes when Wes was ripping shit up?
     
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    He's waaaaaaaay more consistent than Dame.. Lillard's the streaky one.. If anything Cj needs to shoot more than Dame does
     
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    Never pass up a good opportunity to bash on Lillard, am I right?
     
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    Scoring and shooting wise, he's comparable or better; he's as efficient (PER-wise), but not as potent (ORtg/DRtg-wise). But versus last season Wes, he's giving us 5.5 points per 100 possessions more, but giving up 3 points per 100 possessions more... but still that nets out to 3.5 points per 100 possessions (or about 2.5 points per game) better.
     
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    I think he's a much better all-around scorer. Defensively we know he tries, but he's nowhere near as good as Wes. Still, I think CJ is a perfect third scorer. Now if we could just pry Cousins away from Sacramento.
     
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    Yeah, it just hit me that we're playing about like you'd expect for last year's team if LaMarcus was out. We have a first and third scorer working their asses off to hold down the fort while we wait for our injured player to return... in this case, we just need to get Neil to sign him.
     
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    Or draft him...... or trade for him..... :grin:
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    We're probably too competitive to draft him... but trades are Neil's speciality.
     
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    this isn't true.
    Actually, no.

    In games over 45% FG shooting, its 6 to 8. In favor of Damian.

    In games over 40% from 3, it's 7 to 8. In favor of Damian.

    Neither one is more consistent than the other, and CJ is not "waaaaaaaay" more consistent than Damian.
     
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    But those stats don't fit his narrative so he'll choose to ignore them.
     
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    How does that disprove streaky-ness? All that shows is that Dame has had more hot games, which actually proves streaky-ness more than disproves it.
     
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    Because if you have enough hot games, it stops being "streaky" and starts being "consistency." :devilwink:
     
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    I'd say the fact that CJ has as many games under 45% (basically) as damian does, it proves they're both streaky.
     
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    Not if the average ends up being similar. That's sort of the definition of streaky, isn't it?

    That's reasonable on the surface, but CJ has better percentages despite fewer high-percentage games so far this season. (I don't count anything prior to the Memphis series, as that was his coming out party.) That sounds to me like he's a lot less streaky.

    CJ 2 pt % = 0.459, 3 pt % = 0.391
    Dame 2 pt % = 0.420, 3 pt % = 0.360

    Also worth pointing out, both numbers are trending up for CJ this year vs career averages, while both are trending down for Dame.
     
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    Also worth noting here when talking CJ and Dame..Dame has been well scouted and gets the double team ..CJ can still take defenses by surprise and benefit from the attention they give Lillard. CJ is playing great but he's not as high on scouting reports as Dame is.
     
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    You put CJ or Dame on Cleveland and I am pretty confident that they won't look so streaky. They have to carry the offense this year. It takes a toll on stats. This discussion was inevitable though. I even posted before the season started that we would all get too caught up on their shooting stats......and that we shouldn't.
     

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