Dame's %, the Elephant In The Room

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  1. DaLong

    DaLong Well-Known Member

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    That'd be a nice change. I'd like to see how it goes.
     
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    I just laugh.
     
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    Wait? Does this conversation work with coaches as well? Asking for a friend?
     
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    maybe I've forgotten how things are, so remind me: at the end of a game is the team with the highest 3ptFG% declared the winner?

    by the way, Curry isn't even in the top-10 all time in 3pt%. So how could he be GOAT?

    it's pretty simple: points are better than percentages; scoring is more important than shooting.

    this will come as a shock to the 'Dame is holding Portland back' crowd: this season Dame is averaging 1.55 points/shot; Curry is averaging 1.49. And that comes while Dame has an assisted FG% off 33%; Curry is at 48%. Dame has to do more of this on his own which has always been the case

    points/shot this season:

    Dame 1.552
    SGA 1.535
    Butler 1.528
    Doncic 1.498
    Curry 1.49
    Harden 1.478
    D. Mitchell 1.379
    Trae Young 1.359
    Booker 1.325
    Morant 1.31
    Jalen Brown 1.309
    Kyrie 1.29

    Giannis 1.514
    Durant 1.474
    Tatum 1.43
    Lebron 1.325

    CJ 1.16

    Jokic 1.66
    Sabonis 1.62
    Embiid 1.61

    Eubanks 1.63
    Watford 1.53
    Grant 1.42
    Nurkic 1.40
    Hart 1.34
    Simons 1.26
    Sharpe 1.19

    I just went thru and compared the prominent NBA players. Dame is at the top of all the main perimeter players in the league, and that includes a lot of the front-court players. The only people he trails are the big men, and that's mostly the elite big men

    if the gauge of shooting is maximizing the value of shot opportunities, Dame is absolutely elite.
     

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    Of all the problems with this roster/franchise, you want to focus on #759?

    How about we put better players around Dame, so he's not required to take so many difficult shots. Right now teams will gladly give up open looks to Thybulle, Reddish, Nurk, etc. opposed to contested looks by Dame. For a reason.

    This "hero ball offense" narrative was garbage 5 years ago and it's garbage now.
     
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    Dame should say he wants to be like Shaq and work in the post more.
     
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    I think he meant he wants to be more like Shaq.... the famous rapper.
     
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    Shaq sold 1.5 million albums.... I was trying to find data on Dame's record sales but then I realized that nobody buys CDs anymore.
     
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    I agree with the OP, trade Dame, sign an elephant!

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    I think he should gain 150 lbs to his 200 pound frame and change his rap name from Dame Dolla........to Tre Fitty.
     
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    I think TS% is at least a little more insightful than merely taking the FG% or 3PT% on their own.

    Career TS%
    Steph Curry: 62.6%
    Durant: 61.8%
    Reggie Miller: 61.4%
    Dame: 58.7%
    Ray Allen: 58%
    Trae Young: 58%
    Donovan Mitchell: 56.3%

    TS% this year
    Durant: 67.3%
    Steph Curry: 66.5%
    Reggie Miller (best season): 65%
    Dame: 64.8%
    Ray Allen (best season): 62.4%
    Donovan Mitchell: 61.6%
    Trae Young: 56.8%

    But even though this is comparing other great outside shooters to Dame, it's never going to be apples to apples. One other factor that I think needs to be looked at is the percentage of FG's assisted, which wiz touched on, as this can help determine how difficult the shot selection was that led to the true-shooting percentages listed above.

    Percentage of Career shots that were assisted
    Reggie Miller: 2-pt shots- 68.2% ; 3-pt shots 87.5%
    Ray Allen: 2-pt shots- 43.3% ; 3-pt shots 84%
    Durant: 2-pt shots- 49% ; 3-pt shots 71%
    Steph Curry: 2-pt shots- 33.9% ; 3-pt shots 61.1%
    Donovan Mitchell: 2-pt shots- 21.7% ; 3-pt shots 54.3%
    Dame: 2-pt shots- 20.3% ; 3-pt shots 46.2%
    Trae Young: 2-pt shots- 16% ; 3-pt shots 30.5%

    So of the three players I used who seemed to have better TS% - Steph, Durant and Reggie Miller, all three of them had far more shots assisted than Dame. Surprisingly so in the case of Curry. Dame has to create so much more for himself, with the exception of Trae apparently.

    This is much closer to the crux of what's holding us back. Basically Dame's entire career he's been paired in the backcourt with CJ and/or Ant, instead of Klay Thompson for example. It's not personal, I've always like both CJ/Ant, but the team has a cap on how successful it can be as long as the starting shooting guard is the size of a PG and doesn't play defense very well. Maybe an extended stretch where Dame is paired with Thybull/Sharpe will convince the front-office of this fact, but I'm not holding my breath.
     
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    Appreciate the data wiz and noknobs, awesome!

    Is giving a max contract and building around a shooter even wise then? Because we are certainly not an excellent team. Seems like we would need him to have astronomical percentages in order to justify that kind of pay out. I think like only one of you answered my actual questions in the OP, which is fine, but the point is becoming more clear that we may need to hit the reset button.
     
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    They are setting the reset button. That doesn't mean they have to get rid of a generational talent for the hope that ONE & DONE youngsters make it happen sooner . They've set themselves up for getting something done. Something being a plan to add as much talent, that leads to success going forward, as possible. Watching Dame's career has been incredibly enjoyable & entertaining. I have great appreciation for that. I'm gonna enjoy it as long as i can. There are no guarantees in life, or sports. Enjoy the moment. Or not. It's up to you.
     
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    The dread is that we haven’t even come close to putting a team around Damian in the same galaxy as:

    DPOY Draymond
    All-star Klay
    Finals MVP Iggy

    … Shall I continue?

    And I’m pretty sure if Dame was surrounded by two first team all defensive players, Kevin Durant, and 3 all stars we would make a pretty solid run at the title.
     
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    It's fine if you build your team like the Warriors, but we didn't.
     
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