If you take away the personalities of both guys, then yeah, I see them as pretty close to the same kind of player, Steve Francis is another guy that springs to mind.
If the original point of the post was basically that they both are really talented, high scoring point guards who are likely to go through their careers without a title or coming close, then I guess so. But there are a bunch of PGs who could be in that discussion. Then when you take the character/human element into consideration the discussion changes.
One thing with these comparisons to Dame is that it really downplays how good of a scorer Lillard is. Lillard is much more Drexler then he is Mauberry or Steve Francis or other guys of that tier.
Hmmm, I just ran a comp because I didn't agree with this assessment, and based on a quick look at the numbers I still don't agree with it. I shaved off the last few years of Drex/Star/Franchise's years to compare early/prime years to Dame. Aside from raw PPG, Dame is much more like Marbury/Francis. Clyde shot a much higher percentage than the other three. He was obviously a better rebounder, but also nearly equal in assists to Dame. Basically, Clyde was a much better player, and it's not really close.
Advanced metrics Clyde blows them all out of the water and its not close. I was using Clyde as an example because of how good of a scorer Clyde was and how much these comparisons like Marbury ignore how good of a scorer Dame is. Also Dames been in the league for 5 years, how does he stack up to those three after 5 years?
And your argument fails here because you just named someone you say was AS spectacular (which I don't agree with) "Generational" IMO means once every 20 years. How many Stephon Marbury's were there? How many are there now? Too many to name.
There's not a huge difference between the numbers I posted and numbers ran for all players through their 5th season - the picture remains essentially unchanged. Francis rebounds more, Marbury assists more, and Dame shoots WAY more 3-pointers. Otherwise, statistically speaking, Dame, Francis, and Marbury are quite similar across the board and Clyde is on another level.
I definitely disagree that it's not close. Clyde shot 3% better inside the arc than Dame. Dame shoots 8% better from 3pt than Clyde. Dame's FG% is so much lower because he shoots more 3s, but if you look at TS%, Dame is better. Dame likely has a better effect on his teammates when he's off the ball, as he is a better shooter than Clyde was.
They're not. FG% can be misleading. Lol at Dames 2P% and 3P% compared to Francis, than look at their FG%. Thus its why TS% is such a nice stat. Lillard is a more efficient and better scorer than Francis was, gets more assists, and less turnovers. Francis has the edge in rebounding... That's about it.
A made shot is better than a missed shot, and Clyde made a higher percentage of his shots. Dame's shot selection is pretty disappointing - seven 3FGA is kinda ridiculous. And Clyde was similar or superior in nearly all other statistical categories.
I just looked at the stats through their first 6 seasons. Dame is the best offensive player of all 4 of those players. Sure Dame doesn't rebound as well as Francis nor picks up as many assists as Marbury but he kills them both in % from 3 and 2 and %eFG as well as avg less turnovers. Clyde beats Dame on offensively in rebounds and steals as well as his 2% which is by a huge amount but no near the difference between % from 3 that dame beats Drexler by, which to be far is more about era then anything. Lillard is special offensively and it gets dismissed so much on this forum.
And Marbury has the edge in assists. I already said this. They are similar. Not the same, but similar. Dame's over-reliance on 3-point shots is not necessarily a good thing. It makes his EFG% better, but all those misses lead to a lot of long rebounds. I'd prefer Dame increase his APG at the cost of a few of those 3PA.
A made 3 is much better then a made 2. By the logic highlighted then Shaq is the best shooter ever since he has the highest number of seasons leading the NBA in fg %.
And a made 3 is better than a made 2, and Dame makes a much higher percentage of those. TS% essentially captures how beneficial a specific player's shooting is, and it says Dame has a higher TS%. It's probably the least flawed "Advanced Stat". So your logic is falty when you're arguing against a stat that better encapsulates the logic you're trying to use. 36.7% from 3pt is equivalent to a 110 offensive rating, which is solid. So shooting 7 isn't a problem, as his decently efficient, high volume 3pt shooting opens up the rest of the floor for his teammates, so his 3pt shooting is likely >110 ORTG.
How is oil different than water? Not their odor, taste, uses, molecular composition yadda yadda, just look at how they're both liquids at room temperature.
Okay, go ahead and continue to limit the discussion to a single stat, rather than the entire picture. If you can't see that they're similar*, and Clyde is superior, then, well, we're done. *Again, I feel like you don't get that similar =/= same.
