Dame's 3pt shot makes it easier on his teammates when he's off the ball. Marbury likely didn't have the same affect, so while he had more assists, is that really the full gauge? So Dame shooting a solid 3P% doesn't outweigh the potential long rebounds from when he does miss? Dame's more efficient across the board, but you want to point to Marburys additional 1.3 assists per 36 minutes? Helping teammates score isn't just passing them the ball for them to do so. And Dame would get more assists if he had offensively skilled forwards to pass to and dominated the ball more. But kickouts to Harkless/Turner won't result in any assists, but kickouts to most of the starting SFs in the league would result in some. Assists are highly subjective, and not a true measure of impact on teammates.
HAH! The entire picture is TS% (2P%, 3P%, FT%). You're the one limiting yourself to a less representative stat (FG%). I don't think Clyde is superior.
Dame has never been a special passer. If you can't admit that you're a Kingspeed. I like Dame, but don't pretend he doesn't have some issues to work on. Comparing him to Marbury/Francis is not a slight by any means - they were good players, and Dame compares favorably to them. What's the problem with that?
No, you're limiting it to shooting percentages when there's a lot more to look at than just various measures of FG%. You continue to conflate "similar" with "same". I initially didn't notice it was you I was responding to - that's my bad. You're tiresome and impossible to have a conversation with.
If you're going to accuse someone of failing in their argument, at least take a moment to think through whether yours holds water... Would you disagree that Hakeem, Ewing, and The Admiral were generational talents? So what if they played the same position at the same time. They're three of the greatest 10 centers of all-time. The point being with Marbury, he had the talent that, if his head were screwed on straight, he could easily have been the premier PG of his and Iverson's class.
Lmao. Looks like you just accidentally had a conversation with me. Maybe you should block me so you don't accidentally lose any more arguments to me! Every other aspect was similar. Dame makes it easier on his teammates, Clyde was a better defender. Rebounding for guards is irrelevant to me. The 3pt ability plus leadership qualities is why I think Dame is superior. If you have trouble arguing against that, then I'm sorry I'm so impossible to have a conversation with.
Again, I disagree completely. And no Patrick Ewing was not a generational talent IMO. He was overrated Adonal Foyle. Probably the "star" center that's been dunked on the most.
The problem with that is he's better on the court and much better off the court. It's weird that posters only compare Dame to players who are worse than him (except Clyde). This is like the 3rd time I've seen a Marbury and Lillard comparison thread. Shouldn't even be a comparison because of how different they are as people/leaders. Why don't we compare Dame to some players slightly better than him?
LOL - I haven't seen anyone lose an argument to you. Oh, so you DO agree that they're similar? So what the fuck are you arguing? Nobody is saying Dame isn't a superior leader and has intangibles that make him better than Marbury/Francis - way to straw man your argument! There was merely the suggestion that, statistically, they are similar. And it sounds like, finally, you agree with that assertion.
Ewing was a monster. 21 and 10, 2.5 blks a game for 15 years. All defensive team, All NBA, almost always an All Star, Olympian...pretty damn good. Almost samesies as Adonal Foyle
Then you need to learn the game! Dame is similar to Clyde, not the other two cats. Notice how I did every other aspect is similar in a post where I was talking about Clyde. Dame is a much better player than Francis and Marbury, and those two aren't that similar to Dame.
I never got the Ewing hype. I only include him in discussions of the massive talent disparity between 90s and today because everyone else seems to think so highly of him. But he was a 2nd tier "star" IMO.
If you think "winning arguments" means never shutting the fuck up, then yeah, you "win" all the arguments. Post once more and you can "win" this one too.
I don't know, maybe, sure? I do think that people forget the first 8 years of Howards career a little too easily. Dominated defensively. How many big men has the NBA had since 2005 who have been better than Howard? Shaq, Duncan, ? Led league in rebounds about 7 times, DPOY 3 times, I mean, how many people in NBA history can say that?
It just dawned on me that BJ was probably just learning to walk when Howard started his career. Probably wasn't even born when Marbury entered the league. And his parents probably didn't even know each other when Clyde was going up against the GOAT.
Winning arguments with you is done by getting you as triggered as you are now without any effort. I'd put this in the W column.
Lol. I'm not that young. You give much more effort towards triggering me than I do to you, but you're the one triggered. Lmao.
