Either way, he has no value after this incident. So, what Porter and I were arguing about will never be known. JD and Gorton fucked up by not dealing him in the off-season. DeAngelo fucked up his career by not having an IQ over 70. What a waste of talent. i still blame the Rangers for not moving him to wing. I think it would have done wonders for him.
Schneider was just drafted and isn't even getting much junior or AHL time this year to add to his development. Maybe he's ready by age 20 or so but he needs a year before jumping straight to the NHL. Rarely do you see a newly drafted dman do that. Miller was drafted at the same spot and needed 2y at Wisconsin, and Lundkvist needed 2y in the SHL. What's the real point of bringing him up in this 56g/no fan environment when the team isn't likely making the playoffs?
Wait - what a shocker, we are now blaming the coach for DeAngelo. Who saw that coming. Yes, it is clearly on Quinn, and a sign that he lost the team. A guy who was a 1st round pick, been traded twice already and now placed on waivers, has had issues everywhere he has been, been suspended and scratched in his past. Oh by the way, also had a very good season under that same coach last season, let's not allow that fact to get in the way. Bottom line is despite all of that, clearly it's a sign about Quinn. Once again very pathetic. As for the a deal, hindsight they should have taken anything, but if you believe in Gorton/JD you have to think the offers of any real value weren't there otherwise DeAngelo would have been dealt.
Yeah, Chuck, the coach does get some blame. Coach is ultimately responsible, and if there are issues inside the locker room it is partially on him, just like at any other job the responsibility falls on the lead. Torts managed Sean Avery who was one of the biggest nutcases ever to play the game. Torts hated Avery but he played him every game because he was effective. Nothing like this happened during Torts tenure with Avery, because Avery knew he would be kicked out if something did and that was Torts' locker room.
Not much Quinn could do in prep for something like this to happen. Was he supposed to scratch DA because of the history he has? Why even have him on the roster anymore then, which Gorton and JD were obviously ok with going into the season. All you can do is move forward. I wouldn't be surprised if he's playing again in a few weeks.
You Quinn hating soccer moms are pathetic, these are world class hockey players you're blubbering over. Did any of you Tony lovers know he had been giving K'Andre a hard time? Yes it was Quinn who made Tony such a prick. With the choices available to him the fact that Quinn had Tony sitting to start the season speaks volumes about his great coaching. Everything written in the papers last year had Tony being traded but it didn't happen - guess we'll never know why. The "C" worthy. CK chose to punch Tony in the face instead of just grabbing him, again speaks volumes. The team is better without him. Schneider played 6 JWC games 1G/2A 25 PIM) and begins his Hartford career this week so we'll see what happens but I still think he'll be up sooner than later. I would love to see the rotation of young dmen others have suggested and send Smith/Johnson down. The Avery comparison is horrible - Torts hated him, played him sparingly until the crowd forced his hand and had him traded away only to see Glen sign him back. Torts was again was forced to play Avery because of the noticeable difference in team play when Sean was on the ice.. I will say he paid for his antics, officials swallowed their whistle when Sean got boarded/slashed/tripped. I'm still baffled by the negativity. The Rangers announce they are tearing it down and rebuilding two years ago and here we are with multiple 1st rounders all playing together some progressing a little slower than others but still playing. The game by game microanalysis of minutes played is silly, there are too many factors playing into individual games. All we should be looking for this year is improvement.
Agree completely panzer. As I wrote in one of my prior posts, no one could have imagined we'd be here 3 years after the letter was sent in Feb of 2018. What were these fans expecting. We overachieved last season. Are off to a slow start this season, as the youngest team in the NHL, with no pre-season, and losing more leadership in Fast, Hank, Staal. If people were expecting this big time team this season, shame on them. Now we are worse than we thought, but it is 8 games and as mentioned this is not an ordinary season for many reasons. Settle down people.
At this point I'd guess unconditionally waive him, and we take a big cap hit I would guess into next season as well. Not ideal. Unless we can trade him and maybe only retain a %.
Personally, I think he will have to play in Europe or the AHL. Unless a team has a guy they think is a dickhead and want out. Bennett wants out. Maybe Calgary swaps them. Honestly, who would want a guy that rips his goalie after the game. I mean, it was one thing when his defense sucked. This is entirely different. Stand by what I said most of last year. They should have moved him to wing. I think things would have been much different.
The most likely options are: A trade with a % of his cap hit through next season retained by us (50% would mean a 2.4 cap hit goes to the other team next season - which is not bad). OR Unconditional waivers leading to a buyout. The Rangers would shave $1.075 million off this year’s salary cap charge for DeAngelo while still being on the hook for $3.725 million. That’s not ideal, but it would provide a little more cap wiggle room. And once they’re able to buy out the contract, the cap hits would be manageable at $383,333 for the 2021-22 season and $883,333 in 2022-23, according to CapFriendly. So essentially we'd have dead cap space of 883 K added to the 22-23 cap. Those are the options I see, with # 2 being more likely I'd guess.
And saying moving him to the wing would have made things very different doesn't make sense. First he has been a dman his whole career. Second, if he was a winger would his bad attitude, which has gotten him into trouble many times in his career, suddenly have disappeared? Come on now.
Hard to see anyone trading for him right now unless you made the deal ultra-sweet for them. The buyout path seems like the best option. The guy is really killing his career.
Still too early to say this flat out, but this could end up being one of those seasons that was doomed from the start. If we lose tonight, I say bring up some more kids on D and on the 4th line and let them play and gain experience. If worst case is we add one more top 5 pick before we take a step forward into contention next season, I am good. And we haven't even played the Caps, Bruins, or Flyers yet. Sounds like Gorton is close to dealing DeAngelo. I'd guess with 50% retained. Meaning we save a prorated 2.4 mill this season, and 2.4 next season.
GM Jeff Gorton says Tony DeAngelo has played his last game for the Rangers. Gorton says DeAngelo had been upset since being scratched for first game. At some point, Gorton told DeAngelo if there was one more issue, he'd be removed from the team. That happened after Saturday's skirmish with Georgiev. President John Davidson said DeAngelo's social media comments were not a factor.
