Miles has always been called lazy and uncoordinated as hell. Richardson isn't bad he just plays for a bad team with too many guards/forwards. Darius Miles has always been a headache and going along with the other headaches on the Knicks, it isn't worth it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Miles has always been called lazy and uncoordinated as hell. Richardson isn't bad he just plays for a bad team with too many guards/forwards. Darius Miles has always been a headache and going along with the other headaches on the Knicks, it isn't worth it.</div>How can you say that Q isn't bad? Look at the season he had last year. You can't blame that on his teammates. Anytime a player does bad, it's not because of their teammates, cause they're not the ones shooting the ball for him, he is. He's the one shooting, he's the one missing, it's his fault, not the teams. No one ever told him to take those shots, he chose to. And with Miles, he's not unocoordinated, cause otherwise he wouldn't be playing basketball. He is lazy, his work ethic has always been questioned, but what makes you think that Qs hasn't? Q is just as bad, if not worse, than Miles, the only thing that he doesn't have is the offcourt rep. He's on a bloated contract, as is Miles, but at least Miles was filling the statline before getting hurt last year, Q never did much of anyothing last year.
Sure, his teammates didn't shoot the ball, he did. Darius Miles simply CAN'T shoot. The guy has been inconsistent his whole career. The guy is a ballhog, has a lot of on and off the court issues, and Q-Rich has a good jumper.
D.Miles is one hell of a player. He's grown up alot & last season was his best yet. I'm sure he will get traded, to where, who knows. NY would be nice, they could use him. NY NEEDS to get rid of Q. Ever since PO's with the Suns, he's been a bum. But I know he's been thru alot as of late, and that can't be an easy thing to get thru. Can't wait to see what happens with both these players.
So what if Darius Miles had a career year last year. The Knicks shouldn't have to get another player with issues. They need to have positive players on and off the court. Q-Rich is a good player just had a bad year with so many different rotations that the Knicks used last season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you say that Q isn't bad? Look at the season he had last year. You can't blame that on his teammates. Anytime a player does bad, it's not because of their teammates, cause they're not the ones shooting the ball for him, he is. He's the one shooting, he's the one missing, it's his fault, not the teams. No one ever told him to take those shots, he chose to. And with Miles, he's not unocoordinated, cause otherwise he wouldn't be playing basketball. He is lazy, his work ethic has always been questioned, but what makes you think that Qs hasn't? Q is just as bad, if not worse, than Miles, the only thing that he doesn't have is the offcourt rep. He's on a bloated contract, as is Miles, but at least Miles was filling the statline before getting hurt last year, Q never did much of anyothing last year.</div> Q had a lot to deal with off the court last season. I know his brother was murdered at his house and someone else close to him also passed away. Plus Q had to deal with nagging injuries all season long. It would be ironic if these two were traded for one another. They had a close friendship when they both played for the Clippers. I think the trade benefits both teams and they each need a change of scenery. Q's game is better suited for the Western Conference and the Blazers need some veterans on the squad. DMiles has a shorter contract and can be a more versatile player for the Knicks. He gets most of his points playing off the ball, and can play solid defense when he wants. Isiah could be successful if this squad plays with a chip on their shoulders. He has a group of talented, overpaid underachievers who have a lot to prove. All it takes is players buying into a system and focusing on a common goal. The $100Million dollar question is whether or not Isiah can sell this team he built on his system. The Championship Pistons roster was a collection of unwanted talent. Joe Dumars, Rick Carlisle, and finally Larry Brown were able to motivate this team by having them play the role of the underdog. Watching the Knicks next season will be one of the interesting stories of the NBA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Sure, his teammates didn't shoot the ball, he did. Darius Miles simply CAN'T shoot. The guy has been inconsistent his whole career. The guy is a ballhog, has a lot of on and off the court issues, and Q-Rich has a good jumper.</div> That means Miles knows his limitations. If Miles CAN'T shoot and has a career field goal percentage of 47%, that means the shots he take tend to be of quality. Richardson has always been a chucker throughout his career. With the Clippers he was more versatile with his scoring, but since he's been in New York he's been jacking up three-pointers for the most part. I am fully aware of Q's off-court trouble and I feel for him, but he has been struggling before his brother's murder and his injury. And if the other players on the Knicks are selfish then Q can be considered selfish too. Chucking the ball instead of finding an open teammate is a selfish thing to do. Last year the Knicks got nothing out of Richardson. A few good defensive performances here and there, but overall they got nothing from him. Plus, do they really need him? He's a low percentage shooter that plays average defense. Miles is a solid defender who can thrive in transition - a direction we're looking to head into this year. Prior to his injury, Miles was averaging something along the lines of 18/7. I would go for that any day over Q's 8 points on a horrible field goal percentage. I don't even need to whip out the eFG%...
I would trade Q-Rich for Darius, Q just isn't giving NY anything above average. His last year's offensive production and defense, makes him a burden rather than a wanted player. Miles if it works out, gives a talented athletic player at the 3. If he doesn't work out, he has a shorter contract than Q, and has more value than Q and could be packaged somewhere else.
Nobody wants Darius Miles with his contract. His contract is too big and no team wants his off the court issues. Q-Rich is better than Miles it's just that the Knicks don't know how to play their players and make them look worse than good. Miles is coming off a career season, however, that's his frist year he has actually done anything and Richardson has put up solid numbers besides here in New York. If he would get solid minutes, he could produce more. The Knicks don't run a good offensive system where it's just let Stephon Marbury avg. 20pts and that's about it.
Oops I wasa actually wrong about Darius Miles contract being shorter. His goes from 7.8 mill in 2006/07 to 9 mill in 2009/10. Q-Rich goes from 7 mill in 2006/07 to 8.8 mill in 2008/09 and has a player option for 9.3 mill in 2009/10 which he most likely will use if he is not playing well and feels he cannot get better value on the market. So Q-Rich and Darius both have contracts that extend for 4 years, Q-Rich can opt out after 3, but probably won't. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody wants Darius Miles with his contract. His contract is too big and no team wants his off the court issues. Q-Rich is better than Miles it's just that the Knicks don't know how to play their players and make them look worse than good. Miles is coming off a career season, however, that's his frist year he has actually done anything and Richardson has put up solid numbers besides here in New York. If he would get solid minutes, he could produce more. The Knicks don't run a good offensive system where it's just let Stephon Marbury avg. 20pts and that's about it.</div> Darius' last 3 years are pretty good production wise. Between 10.9 - 14 ppg on about 47% FG, 4.6 rpg, 2 apg, about 1 bpg, 1 spg. Q averaged 26 mpg, and put up 8.2 ppg on 35.5% FG%. Its possible Q-Rich will improve, he had offcourt problems, as well as a back injury I believe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody wants Darius Miles with his contract. His contract is too big and no team wants his off the court issues. Q-Rich is better than Miles it's just that the Knicks don't know how to play their players and make them look worse than good. Miles is coming off a career season, however, that's his frist year he has actually done anything and Richardson has put up solid numbers besides here in New York. If he would get solid minutes, he could produce more. The Knicks don't run a good offensive system where it's just let Stephon Marbury avg. 20pts and that's about it.</div> Miles' contract is just as bad as Q's. Miles played very well last season before he got injured, he averaged around 18 points a game on something like 45-50% shooting if I'm not mistaken. Quentin is a volume shooter to say the least, He's hardly had any seasons where he has averaged over 40% from the field, even in his arguably best season with Phoenix as a gung-ho chucker. Besides, if Miles is capable of shooting that high percentage than it means that he's not going to take as many dumb shots, which makes it easier for the other scorers on the team. I still haven't found any solid evidence from your posts proving that Q is a better fit for New York, because he clearly isn't. I'm a fan of both Q and Miles, by the way. I hope both of 'em can do well next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">Nobody wants Darius Miles with his contract. His contract is too big and no team wants his off the court issues. Q-Rich is better than Miles it's just that the Knicks don't know how to play their players and make them look worse than good. Miles is coming off a career season, however, that's his frist year he has actually done anything and Richardson has put up solid numbers besides here in New York. If he would get solid minutes, he could produce more. The Knicks don't run a good offensive system where it's just let Stephon Marbury avg. 20pts and that's about it.</div>You're running out of excuses here pal. And to address something earlier that you said, Q doesn't have that good of a jumper. He's inconsistent as hell and shoots a poor percentage. You blame the offense because of that, why don't you look at the rest of his numbers shooting. Now, look at his offensive numbers and you'll notice something about them. All his shooting percentages are awful. 44%, 43%, 37%, 39%, 39%, 36%. Now, please explain to me as to how it was just the Knicks offense that made him shoot horribly. He has digressed pretty much ever season he's been in the league, and that's because he's got a terrible shot selection. Even in Phoenix's wide open offense he shot terribly, and he was the one that was getting the most open looks. You can criticize Miles all you want for his shooting, but at least he occasionally finds a shot he doesn't like. Q doesn't. He jacks up pretty much anything and everything. Beyond that, he shoots way too many threes, and he's not even that good at them. The only reason he hit so many two seasons ago were for two reasons: 1) the offense they ran allowed him to, and 2) he shot a ton (631 to be exact). So please, after looking at this, can you please explain to me how he's a good player and a good shooter and all that other crap that you've been unsuccessfully attempting to explain.
The guy is a good shooter. Manu Ginobili only shot 38% from 3-point range. Vlad Ramonovic shot only 39%. These two are really good 3-point shooters. Darius Miles didn't shoot as many 3s so had a better %. Darius Miles isn't necessary a better shooter than Q-Rich. Even Peja only shot 40%. Q-Rich avgs: 8.2ppg/4.2rbs/1.6apg/.71stls/.11blks/35.5FG/67FT/34%3PT%/26.2MPG Darius Miles avgs: 14ppg/4.6rbs/1.8apg/1.05stls/.98blks/46.1FG/53.4FT/20%3PT%/32.2MPG As you can see by these avgs. per game, Q-Rich got 6 whole minutes less than Darius Miles. He still got the same averages in rebounds, assists, better free throw, and better 3PT%. Darius Miles is a good defensive player and got better avgs. in blocks and steals with better FG% and points. Q-Rich career stats per game: 12ppg/27.7MPG/40.1FG%/35.2%3PT%/71.2FT%/4.8rbs/1.5apg/.86stls/.2blks Darius Miles career stats per game: 10.6ppg/27.7MPG/46.1FG%/16.8%3PT%/58.6FT%/5.2rbs/2apg/.91stls/1.1blks/ Career avgs. show that Darius Miles is a better defender while Q-Rich is the better scorer. I guess that the Knicks would rather have Miles because the Knicks need better perimeter defenders and not enough scorers since Isiah Thomas decides to give everybody who can score 2ppg max contracts. I'm basically saying that I rather have Q-Rich since he's a better scorer and a bigger threat on offense.
The only way you can judge the season Miles had last year is his stats pre-injury. They went down after that cause he wasn't completely ready to come back. And you can't judge how good a shooter is based on their three point shooting ability. If that was the case, than there are a lot of bad shooters in this league. Why is it that you completely ignore their FG% as a whole. Qs is terrible for his ENTIRE FREAKING CAREER. He's not once had a good season shooting the ball outside of his rookie year. He has digressed every year but one in that category. EVERY YEAR. How can you not take notice to that. The guy is nothing more than a chucker who scores by volume, not by accuracy. A good three point shooter doesn't need to shoot over 600 to reach the 200 mark. They should be able to do it in about 100 less attempts. Q can't. And why would that be? Because HE CAN NOT SHOOT THE BALL VERY WELL. And also, how can you say that Q is the better scorer based on career stats? Miles never had the opportunity to play in a system that allowed him to score the ball prior to last year. Beyond that, he was fresh out of high school. He was very, very raw when he came out, and every knew that. He didn't get a whole lot of opportunities to score, Q got more. And the other thing that hurts that argument is that, while he got more points per game than Miles, look at the FG%. Miles is 6% higher. He gets very similar points to Q on a lot less shots. Another sign of a better scorer. And while you continue to say that Q is a better scorer, you still have yet to prove anything legit to back that up.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Moo2K4:</div><div class="quote_post"> And the other thing that hurts that argument is that, while he got more points per game than Miles, look at the FG%. Miles is 6% higher. He gets very similar points to Q on a lot less shots. Another sign of a better scorer. And while you continue to say that Q is a better scorer, you still have yet to prove anything legit to back that up.</div> Well if you compare FG% from last season of both players Q 35.5%, Darius 46.1%. Its a 10.6% difference. I guess you were comparing career FG% differences. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post"> Q-Rich career stats per game: 12ppg/27.7MPG/40.1FG%/35.2%3PT%/71.2FT%/4.8rbs/1.5apg/.86stls/.2blks Darius Miles career stats per game: 10.6ppg/27.7MPG/46.1FG%/16.8%3PT%/58.6FT%/5.2rbs/2apg/.91stls/1.1blks/</div> Darius' career FG% is 47.1 %. So Career wise it is a 7% difference in FG%.
I don't even care anymore. The Knicks once again get another horrible player and ruin their franchise. If the Knicks want another scorer instead of a shooter, then that's them. Isiah Thomas definitely won't be winning any awards.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care anymore. The Knicks once again get another horrible player and ruin their franchise. If the Knicks want another scorer instead of a shooter, then that's them. Isiah Thomas definitely won't be winning any awards.</div> Yes, because you've clearly proven to us that Darius Miles is a downgrade from Q.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CLos:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't even care anymore. The Knicks once again get another horrible player and ruin their franchise. If the Knicks want another scorer instead of a shooter, then that's them. Isiah Thomas definitely won't be winning any awards.</div>The only reason you don't care is cause you can't come up with one excuse that hasn't been shot down. And phunDamentalz, why do you think Q is so good, I'm curious. Why would Isiah be doing something horrible if he traded for an overall better player and better fit in Darius Miles?
just some more random thoughts. I like Q, he's a great player during the regular season. Im talking 04' 05' season, but in the po's he was B A D, that was w/ the Suns. Last season with the Knicks it was hard for every player to perform well with all the player changes, etc. And Larry Brown I hear is not the easiest to play for. I believe he also had some injuries ( who the hell doesn't ) Hopefully he's beyond all that & is working his butt off this off-season. When healthy, he can hit the three big time. He & Korver tied in 05' for most 3's. Can't wait to see what happens this season. I'm stoked for this up coming season! Also, picking up Miles would be a wise move for the Knicks. He's grown up & he's on the uppity up for sure. The guy can flat out play.
