<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Just the fact that we let our courts/government decide life/death is ridiculous....</div>The fact that let people off easy after they decide life or death with an innocent person is ridiculous.Plus, it's not like all killers have life sentences. Some people have only 30 years and then get paroled.
I am against the death penalty. Like BCB has said, it costs way too much money, and it's a human life. It is stooping down to the level of the criminal himself. As bad as the criminal himself was, it is not right to execute someone for a murder or bombing. Nothing good happens out of it, the people he killed do not come back. It does not teach the killer a lesson, because they will die.Life in prison, is the best punishment.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am against the death penalty. Like BCB has said, it costs way too much money, and it's a human life. It is stooping down to the level of the criminal himself. As bad as the criminal himself was, it is not right to execute someone for a murder or bombing. Nothing good happens out of it, the people he killed do not come back. It does not teach the killer a lesson, because they will die.Life in prison, is the best punishment.</div> Thank you, thank you...i'm glad someone else shares my view. :beerchug:
For once, yes I do agree with you BCB.But, it is easy for me to understand why someone would be for the penalty, regardless if I think it is not a good idea.
First of all,You never know if the person the man/woman murdered was innocent. There is always an incentive, unless it's a robber or serial killer.Read what I said above.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 26 2006, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What is the point in the person living after killing innocent lives? and dont use money as an excuse</div> What difference does it make? They are in prison anyway...it's just not an efficient/effective way....not with our court system. And it is about the money....I don't feel like our area having to waste $70 million a year putting every murderer on death rowe, thats insanity...our courts would be an even bigger mess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Jul 26 2006, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What difference does it make? They are in prison anyway...it's just not an efficient/effective way....not with our court system. And it is about the money....I don't feel like our area having to waste $70 million a year putting every murderer on death rowe, thats insanity...our courts would be an even bigger mess.</div>I never said put EVERY murderer on death row. If you look at one of my first posts in this thread, i said guys that had more than one murder. So it wouldnt be 70 million dollars. And for the United States, that wouldnt as much money as you portray it out to be.
Are you serious?In US standards 70 Mil. is still a crazy amount of money.Like I said, you're not bringing anybody back to life with the death penalty, so why stoop as low to the criminal? Rot in prison, easier. They might even die with a different mind, a more peaceful one. Most people change in prison, did you know that? Malcolm X for example (he was not put on a life sentence)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most people change in prison, did you know that? Malcolm X for example (he was not put on a life sentence)</div>Yeah, I'm sure Malcolm X is the rule rather than the exception.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 10:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious?In US standards 70 Mil. is still a crazy amount of money.Like I said, you're not bringing anybody back to life with the death penalty, so why stoop as low to the criminal? Rot in prison, easier. They might even die with a different mind, a more peaceful one. Most people change in prison, did you know that? Malcolm X for example (he was not put on a life sentence)</div>70 million dollars over a full year is not that much money for the U.S. Standards. I know I have brought this up before but the government spends over a billion a day just for the war in Iraq.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Jul 26 2006, 11:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, I'm sure Malcolm X is the rule rather than the exception.</div>What's that suposed to mean?If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 27 2006, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>70 million dollars over a full year is not that much money for the U.S. Standards. I know I have brought this up before but the government spends over a billion a day just for the war in Iraq.</div>Over one billion dollars? I doubt that. Maybe hundreds of thousands to millions but I think over a billion a day is a stretch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.Over one billion dollars? I doubt that. Maybe hundreds of thousands to millions but I think over a billion a day is a stretch.</div>Im positive its over a billion a day. here you go.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3603923.stm
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Island @ Jul 26 2006, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What's that suposed to mean?If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.</div>I was as succinct as I possibly could be. Malcolm X is an exception to the rule.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What's that suposed to mean?If you can't make clear and direct posts don't expect anybody to understand them.</div>How many people have changed in prison? And you said yourself he had no life sentence, so how would lifers feel. Would they get over it, and start living a new life -- in prison? Your so-perfect Malcom X is one in a million.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Jul 27 2006, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Im positive its over a billion a day. here you go.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3603923.stm</div> Holy sh*t.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Jul 27 2006, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many people have changed in prison? And you said yourself he had no life sentence, so how would lifers feel. Would they get over it, and start living a new life -- in prison? Your so-perfect Malcom X is one in a million.</div>Lifers would feel peace in mind, at the most. In jail all you can do is pray all day and feel a connection w/ god.There are other examples, Muhammad Ali, for one. he spent some time in jail i'm 99% sure, but changed after it.Ken Shamrock changed after he was in Juvenile Hall, many, many years ago.2 kids in my school were sentenced to 2 weeks in Juvenile Hall for a big gang fight. When they came back, whoa, they were different.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There are other examples, Muhammad Ali, for one. he spent some time in jail i'm 99% sure, but changed after it.Ken Shamrock changed after he was in Juvenile Hall, many, many years ago.2 kids in my school were sentenced to 2 weeks in Juvenile Hall for a big gang fight. When they came back, whoa, they were different.</div>Muhammed Ali never went to jail.And anyway, those are the exceptions, not the rule.
He was sentenced to five years in jail for draft evasion, however. It took him a long time and lots of hard work to convince the courts not to send him to jail. I'm sure he changed with the fear of prison. Fear of death just scares people, does not change them.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And anyway, those are the exceptions, not the rule.</div>There are thousands of other exceptions. A minority? Yes, of course. But thousands are still a lot of people, in reality.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Fear of death just scares people, does not change them.</div>That's the point. If you're scared of death, then you're not going to do the crimes that have a death penalty.
Muhammed Ali didn't change because of a court ruling. If the courts sent him to jail or never convicted him at all, he still wouldn't have gone into the military. Nothing could be more unrelated to changing your life in prison. Examples don't prove that most people change, it just proves that there are certain people who change. I can say that Scientology is a religion where most people are geniuses and list a few examples, but I'd be ignoring all the people who are idiots. In this case, you are ignoring all those that don't change (probably about 80-85% don't change, if I had a guess).
