Has anyone really called him a top 5 player? I think the most people have said is that he's in the 5-10 range. Brandon Roy is 7th in the league in PER, not very far behind #5 Tim Duncan: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...nger/statistics?sort=per&pos=all&seasonType=2
You just mentioned 5. I'm looking for the basis to rank him up there. I think he's a great player. I think Joe Johnson is, too. To name one of the guys I looked up the stats for. And no, I don't think Rose is a top 5 PG right now. I might argue the Bulls' backcourt is overall one of the 5 best though.
That's fair, but you'd think the guy would be the very best at at least one thing. Looking at that URL I posted, check out Wade. Scary scary good. By that same argument, Paul Pierce is way up there with Wade and LeBron. He sacrifices his stats because he's got 3 phenominal teammates (Rondo, KG, Allen) who need some touches. But when the game is really on the line, the ball is in his hands. The team's record doesn't lie. How about Jamison? The Wizards sucked this season, but for the past few, he's been almost a one man show with a shitty bunch of teammates (the good ones hurt a lot) and the record has been pretty amazing.
Right, I mentioned 5, none of which was Roy. Thus, I don't think he's top 5. I said in a few posts that he was in the 5-10 range.
That's not really roy's game. He's a jack of all trades. He's an exceptional scorer, but not the best. He's a good passer, but not the best. He's a good rebounder, but not the best. It's actually kind of surprising that he hasn't notched more triple doubles though.
Can you justify #6? How about #10? Like, maybe I can name 10 guys better. I already started on a pretty good list.
I didn't put him specifically at 6, I was specifying a range because I don't think players are generally in clear-cut specific ranks. I can justify his being in that range, yes. As I said in a previous post to you: Brandon Roy is 7th in the league in PER, not very far behind #5 Tim Duncan: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holl...nger/statistics?sort=per&pos=all&seasonType=2
Guys like Kobe, Wade, LeBron, CP3, and Howard are #1 at something. How's that for a top 5 in the NBA right now?
Is PER all there is to being a top 5 or top 10 guy? I just listed the top 5, disagree? Think Roy is better than Duncan? Dirk? Pierce? Garnett? Wow, that's 9 right there.
I think Roy is as good, or better, than Pierce or Garnett. KG is old and falling apart. Also, I think Roy is one of the top 5 closers in the game.
Being one of the ten most productive players in the game is all there is to being a top-ten guy. I think PER is one of the best measures of productivity, since it's pace-adjusted, scoring efficiency is more robustly measured and rebounding is based on opportunities. Nope, as I said, I don't think Roy is top-five. My using "5-10 range" instead of "6-10 range" was simply a writing error. Similar, yes, easily, yes.
I think Roy played better than Pierce this year - definitely on the offensive side of the court. Not as good on defense - but I think his offense advantage this year over PP was bigger than PP's defensive advantage. Garnett's contribution is even more interesting - he no longer is the offensive machine he was - but his defense is actually superb. Given that he was wounded for so long this year - Roy played better than him. Duncan had a better year than Roy - no questions asked, imho. Dirk is debatable - I can't make up my mind which one had a better year.
Interesting. Garnett was wounded, so someone had to pick up the slack. Look at the record, 62-20, 3rd best in the league. I think that arguably Pierce was the best or 2nd best player last season, and hasn't dropped off much, if at all. Agreed. Danny Granger? Tony Parker (22 PPG, 50% FG, 7 APG, 1 STL)? Bosh? (23 PPG, 10 RPG, 1 BLK, 1 STL) 26/8.5/36% 3pt, former MVP.
Sure. Randolph is a very good player. The problem with him is that his defense is atrocious, which drops him. Defense is a part of on-court production, which PER doesn't measure well. So that does add a subjective element.
I think Rondo improved a ton - Perkins also seemed better this year and I thought that at least during the regular season - Ray Ray this year was better than last year. PP did not, imho - carry as big a load for the Celts as Roy did for the Blazers. Not as good, imho - his team's frantic pace skewed some of the stats in his favor. Just as good when he was playing - but he was wounded for a lengthy period this year. Brilliant start for the year. Followed by some injury and some very questionable games in the middle. Seemed to get better at the end of the year - but the real problem I have with Bosh is that he is not a real franchise player that can really put his stamp on a team, imho. This is usually a problem for most bigs that are not really dominant to the point of being unstoppable - like Yao, Shaq in his prime and the like.
