how the fuck am I trolling? I'm being serious. People often claim that 2nd amendment is a way tto protect against a tyranical government. But as you said, and I agree, government isn't very likely to just start bombing their citizens. So how is it protection against it?
yeah, I asked for clarification on that. Wasn't trying to troll or be a dick. You said they'll overthrow the constitution with force. and also that just having guns is our protection against them doing that. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, sinc e you said it's laughable they would turn guns on the populace.
Obama's going to surrender the war in Afghanistan. We lost to a bunch of people from the stone age. They don't have a modern army like the cold war era USSR or anything. So... you think they'd do well against armed MIT trained engineers on our own turf? And with a military that might not fight for Obama?
Yes, you've tried this dumb argument previously. Our the MIT trained engineers just holding legal guns? If so, then I don't see why they'd fare any better than you or I. Of course, you're implying that the MIT guys will be devising ways to help the citizens with other things, bombs, etc. In which case, what is really protecting us in that very unlikely case is not the second amendment right to bear arms.
I think the MIT guys would do a lot better at deceiving the drones or otherwise making things tough on the govt. Timothy McVeigh was able to blow up a federal building and do all sorts of damage without holding a legal gun. IEDs were the biggest headache for our troops over there (Iraq or Afghanistan).
uh huh. Cool story. I'm not arguing about winning a war of citizens versus US military. You providing evidence of people fighting with things not protected under the 2nd amendment doesn't at all, however, help support the 2nd amendment as protection from tyranny argument
The threat of people not being able to defend themselves against the gov't vs. easy access to semi-auto for psycho people to shoot innocent kids. I fall on the side of added protection for the kids.
they would be safer if they had an armed guard in every classroom, because there will still be dozens of millions of guns even after a complete ban. well actually, 2 armed guards in every class, just in case one of them is crazy and decides to shoot everyone. maybe 3. maybe kids can just go to school in prison. maybe they should wear bulletproof vests when leaving the house. actually, many murders occur at home, so maybe everyones kids should be taken away from their famlies and locked in a bulletproof cell. for their safety.
Bullshit trumps everything? "Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right to bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of the citizen to bear arms is just one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible." -- Hubert Horatio Humphrey, 1960
That seems a little extreme for me (probably not for some). I think Obama came out with a tough plan that should take a lot of the guns of the street. I don't have a problem where he drew the line. So I guess the Obama plan is the plan, jan.
Don't ban guns at all. How about we lock anyone up whose gun is used in a crime, any crime, and we throw away the key? If you don't transfer ownership of the gun properly when you sell it, you're on the hook if it's used in a crime.
They could do all this, which is why my post was more of a balancing test. The issue as I see it is a decrease in the right to bear arms (not an elimination) vs. public safety issue that we are currently dealing with in society. I wouldn't go as far as you are suggesting, nor do I have any fear what-so-ever that Obama's plan would lead to what you are suggesting. But again, I get that some live in fear of Obama and what he might do to this country.
The feds and oregon have increased penalties when a firearm is used. I don't think it acts much in the way as a deterrent.
