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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Honestly, sometimes I just post shit to needle or provoke Mags because we are friends and I see how passionate he is in his beliefs. I was really disappointed I didn't get a rise out of him from my Trump for president of Egypt post.
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    And we know they all voted democrat because? I mean that was your original point.

    And I'm not seeing a Mexican sounding name in any of those examples.
     
  3. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That was in response of @dviss1 saying that Democrats don't have dead people voting. If you read the article, the lady was a Democrat pollster.
     
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    actually, you are wrong about that too but I definitely didn't want to be a mod.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    That's a good thing, because we really don't need an emotional mod. We already have Rasta
     
  6. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Sooo.... 3 instances... In how many millions of votes?

    Did you NOT get the snopes link I posted? Here it is again...

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    This is NOT a reason to create unconstitutional poll taxes...
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Rasta isn't a mod.
     
  8. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Oh thank GOD
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    You said never, did you not?

    But we all know how you generalize. I mean, saying all Republicans are evil, racist homophobes should be proof right here:

     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    7 papers, 4 government inquiries, 2 news investigations and 1 court ruling proving voter fraud is mostly a myth:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-ruling-proving-voter-fraud-is-mostly-a-myth/


    Voter ID laws are back in the news this week after a group of college studentsjoined a lawsuit challenging North Carolina's new restrictive rules. And as Catherine Rampell pointed out earlier this week, it's not just ID laws - Republican state legislatures have been busy devising all manner of creative ways to make voting more difficult for traditionally Democratic-leaning groups.

    All of these restrictive measures take their justification from a perceived need to prevent "voter fraud." But there is overwhelming scholarly and legal consensus that voter fraud is vanishingly rare, and in fact non-existent at the levels imagined by voter ID proponents. That hasn't stopped many Republican lawmakers from crying "fraud" every time they're faced with an unfavorable election outcome (see also: McDaniel, Chris).

    For reference, a round-up of the latest research is below. Let me know in the comments if I missed anything.

    Academic research
    The Truth About Voter Fraud, by Justin Levitt of Loyola Law School. Levitt performed a wide-ranging analysis of alleged incidents of voter fraud across the U.S. "Usually, only a tiny portion of the claimed illegality is substantiated — and most of the remainder is either nothing more than speculation or has been conclusively debunked."

    The Politics of Voter Fraud, by Lorraine Minnite of Columbia University. Minnite concludes that voter fraud is exceedingly rare, and that the few allegations in the record usually turn out to be something other than voter fraud: "a review of news stories over a recent two year period found that reports of voter fraud were most often limited to local races and individual acts and fell into three categories: unsubstantiated or false claims by the loser of a close race, mischief and administrative or voter error."

    Fraudulent Votes, Voter Identification and the 2012 US General Election, by John Ahlquist and Kenneth R. Mayer of the University of Wisconsin, and Simon Jackman of Stanford. The authors conducted a survey experiment "to measure the prevalence of two specific types of voter fraud: repeat/fraudulent ballot casting and vote buying." Their conclusion: "The notion that voter impersonation is a widespread behavior is totally contradicted by these data."

    Voter Identifications Laws, by Minnite again. "In 95 percent of so-called 'cemetery voting' alleged in the 2010 midterm election in South Carolina, human error accounts for nearly all of what the state's highest law enforcement official had informed the U.S. Department of Justice was fraud."

    Caught in the Act: Recent Federal Election Fraud Cases, by Delia Bailey of the Washington University in St. Louis. Bailey unearthed only nine federal election fraud cases occurring between 2000 and 2005.

    They Just Do Not Vote Like They Used To: A Methodology to Empirically Assess Election Fraud, by M.V. Hood III of the University of Georgia and William Gillespie of Kennesaw State University. "After examining approximately 2.1 million votes cast during the 2006 general election in Georgia, we find no evidence that election fraud was committed under the auspices of deceased registrants."

    Identifying Election Fraud Using Orphan and Low Propensity Voters, by Ray Christensen and Thomas Schulz of Brigham Young University. The authors devise a new test for identifying instances of voter fraud; turn up no new instances of voter fraud.

    Government investigations
    A two-year investigation by Iowa's Republican secretary of state found evidence of 117 possible fraudulent votes and led to just six - six! - criminal convictions.

    In 2011 a Wisconsin task force found sufficient evidence to charge 20 people with fraudulent voting in the 2008 elections. Most of these were felons who were ineligible to vote.

    Kansas' secretary of state examined 84 million votes cast in 22 states to look for duplicate registrants. In the end 14 cases were referred for prosecution, representing 0.00000017 percent of the votes cast.

    A 10-year 'death audit' in North Carolina turned up a grand total of 50 instances in which a vote may have been attributed to a deceased person, most likely due to errors made by precinct workers.

    News investigations
    The New York Times examined five years of Justice Department recordsand turned up only 26 convictions of fraud by individual voters. "Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules." And many of the cases were "linked to small vote-buying schemes in which candidates generally in sheriff’s or judge’s races paid voters for their support." Overall, the Times concluded that "the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections."

    News 21, a student journalism project based at Arizona State University,analyzed 2,068 alleged fraud cases from 2000 to 2012 and found a total of 10 cases of alleged voter impersonation. They found that "while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent."

    Court rulings
    In striking down Wisconsin's voter ID law this spring, district judge Lynn Adelman wrote "The evidence at trial established that virtually no voter impersonation occurs in Wisconsin. The defendants could not point to a single instance of known voter impersonation occurring in Wisconsin at any time in the recent past."
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    And yes mags I do believe that Republicans are Homophobes. Lots of them are racist. So the fuck what? And I do think that Bush didn't give a shit about Black people.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Oh, so you are saying illegals haven't voted? Did you even review the multiple links of actual studies of "non-citizen votes"? You must have skimmed past the study in Colorado, where there was a confirmed 4,700 non-citizen votes and 14k registered voters that are non-citizens...

    That must have slipped your mind
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    LMAO, and you got pissed about the #BlackLivesMatter shit for generalization of a few in the group! HAHAHAHAHA
     
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    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

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    I don't have time to look for it but Chris Cornell wrote a song I believe it was about Bush and Katrina. It was called Wide Awake....I think. It is one of my favorite songs ever. You should find the lyrics. It was when he was in Audioslave.
     
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    Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation (FUCK THEM), Moral Majority and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. This plan has been in action for decades.



    And yes. FUCK REPUBLICANS FOR THAT SHIT....
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    ^^^^^ Watch the video Mags.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    And to bring it all full circle:

    Bernie wants Election Day to be a NATIONAL HOLIDAY.

    Thoughts?
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    I wrote a song about it too. No cussing. It was awesome.
     
  19. GriLtCheeZ

    GriLtCheeZ "Well, I'm not lookin' for trouble."

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    It'd be great, but Republicans would fight it tooth and nail because it goes against their strategy of suppressing the vote. It would be fun to see how they spin their opposition to it.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Good point, Mags is a lot of things, but an insulting blowhard he ain't. He might disagree with someone on here but he doesn't drag it into other parts of the forum like PapaG did.

    So for that, I apologize for the poor characterization.
     
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