Politics Democrats have owned this state for decades - what do we have to show for it?

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  1. MARIS61

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    Faux argument by you.

    I'm asking for equal value for my local community's tax dollars.

    Kate Brown is bribing/rewarding blue communities while stiffing red communities. She rigged her minimum wage to steal our jobs and leave us struggling to keep our homes.

    All working Oregonians pay taxes, but Kate Brown spends it all in blue communities, while stealing from red communities.

    She won't even talk to her citizens on this side of the mountains. She comes to Bend about once a year to huddle with bankers and developers in unannounced closed "meetings", refusing calls for a town hall or even a quick question and answer opportunity.
     
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    https://www.oregon.gov/gov/Pages/invite-governor.aspx
     
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    You should invite her to do the ribbon cutting on the addition to your bunker.
     
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    Are you actually claiming that companies are moving jobs from La Pine to Portland because Portland has a higher minimum wage?
    And that argument makes sense to you?

    Rural people are net takers and always have been. You've got it completely backwards, as per usual.

    Can't imagine why.

    barfo
     
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    I thought that was carefully explained.
    Somebody said that we funded PERS at just over 80%, an exceptional rate. Kentucky funds at a rate of approximately 30%, now they've got trouble.
     
  9. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Not a complaint. It's a fact

    https://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2017/09/pers_oregon_pension_deficit_cl.html

     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Am I supposed to come up with a solution to a problem that was created by the Democrats? Does that make any sense?

    So they fuck it up, they have had decades to fix it, and you blame Republicans for not coming up with a solution to the problem?

    Edit - I'll rephrase this - PERS has been around for a long time, but we have known about this issue for decades. It was clear that the system was going to be overtaxed because of the baby boomers, and nothing has been done to fix the problem. And during the past 30+ years the Democrats have had the run of the house so it was on them to come up with something.
     
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    You're on some other shit right now. First off, I don't want republicans to do SHIT in this state. Period.

    Secondly, I'm asking you not to complain about the problem but instead come up with your suggestion of how to fix it.

    Until then you're just complaining. It's really that simple.

    It's easy to point at the helicopter in the tree and say the pilot fucked up. It's harder to figure out how to get the pilot out of the tree...
     
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    Why should we elect someone else to fix the problem if they have no idea how to do it? Is the goal fixing the problem or punishing the D's?

    If your stockbroker loses some of your money, you don't hand the rest of it to a homeless guy on Burnside and tell him to invest it for you.

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    Sorry Nate this is a stupid question.

    WTF does EVERY politician say to get into office?

    "I'm gonna fix the shit that the other side fucked up and this is how I'm gonna do it..."
     
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    It’s annoying that we (meaning people) stick with things - laws, amendments, programs, etc- even though the world and it’s people change. Maybe the entire PERS program initially was great. It ain’t working now. Maybe the 2nd Amendment was created with guns that shot one bullet at a time in mind not AR15s. Soooo let’s change those things. But instead both sides sit around and say but but but that’s the way it’s always been so we can’t change it.

    Our education in this state SUCKS
    Who’s been in charge for the past few decades?
    It AINT working

    Funny how people want to fire Stotts because the team can’t get over the hump but the state ranks 47/50 in education but hey let’s just keep doing what we’re doing.
     
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    I wish I could like this post more than once.
     
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    If you think teachers would complain to students about spending their own money on their students..
    Then I have a timeshare in puerto rico to sell you.
     
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    You want me to come up with a solution?

    Okay. You bitch about racism in America. Come up with a solution. 1....2.....3...... Go!
     
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    Naw! It doesn't work that way. Look it up,

    Basically the State sets a target per student amount to spend. Then funds each district the amount needed to meet that spending goal.
    The actual contribution is per district after their local property tax contribution is considered. The State then kicks in the amount to reach the per student spending.

    You will not be able to find the numbers, but the state spends far more per student educating the immigrant students than it does educating the Black students in Multnomah county.

    The big receivers are the low tax base counties with the large immigrant population. They have a large student population compared to the value of the local tax base. Most of the Multnomah county districts receive the least funding due to high commercial tax base and a lower number of students per the local revenue base.

    You will probably not be able to find the numbers but I am sure the State spends far more per student on the immigrant students than they do on the Black students in Multnomah county.
     
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    I've said multiple times how that problem can be fixed but people like you don't listen.

    I've ALWAYS said that people like YOU need to LOOK INWARD at your own privilege. THAT'S how we START to end racism.

    Now, all you had to do was answer the question about a program you want to simply eliminate instead of figure out. All you had to say is just like most republicans, I don't have a fucking solution.

    In closing, say smart things and make sense when you post.
     
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