<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mister Jennings:</div><div class="quote_post">Can Fisher be traded right away or is there a waiting period? It seems like he'd be perfect for the Pacers who could use a spot up, defensive minded guard, my problem if we keep him is, he is not really a point. I am shocked right now and waiting for the next move with beted breath.</div> There is a moratorium on trading signed Free Agents (restricted or unrestriced) for either 3 months or December 15th of that year, whichever is later. So, we're stuck with him. And, as like the rest of you, I wish I could read Mullin's mind right now to see what he was thinking, because this move makes little sense to me, even if I think Fisher is a good point guard.
I'm not really sure if PG was really a need for the Warriors, and they overpaid for Fish, but he will quickly become a fan favorite in the bay area. I wish him the best of luck, he will be a great asset to the Warriors locker room..
So I think its safe to say that we are all confused. Is something going to go down in the next few days? Most definately. What will go down? Hopefully Chris Mullin has an idea. I still don't see the need for Fisher. I like him as a basketball player but he just isn't worth that contract IMO. I mean we have Speedy Claxton playing for 3 mil and I would rather have Speedy. I don't care if he is injury prone, I would take my chances on him. I would have rather signed a Jon Barry.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bay_Area_Fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Just when you thought things couldn't get any worse... I have faith in Mullin and I will give him time to prove me wrong on this. I don't that trading NVE will solve this logjam at pg and make the Fisher signing better. It will only make things worse IMO because there goes our cap space! Can someone please explain how we are going to resign J-Rich and Murph, and get that "superstar free agent" we have all been talking about since we made the Jamison for NVE deal!!!!</div>Looks like we're going to have to go over the cap and Cohan is going to have to foot the bill, which he won't (it's all on of us fans, which is why I won't pay his miserly keester). This guy has made so much money over the years in this huge market in the bay area, he should at least prove to the fans that he's willing to lose some money during some seasons in order to win. Be like Eddie D of the niners. Greatest GM ever (even though that thing he did he had the greatest mentality of an owner, because he was a fan first, owner second) Anyway, I did it again by digressing from the Fisher situation. I am happy he is on our team, but man that's a long contract. Mullin must have been pretty high on him or just plain high. But we should wait for the smoke to clear (hopefully not literally) before we judge Chris Mullin or Derek Fisher (who we all know isn't getting any younger) I sure hope as hell we didn't let Arenas walk and then trade Jamison just to undo all those cap cutting costs just to resign some two 30 something year old backup players. That would just get too ridiculous and I think everyone on this board just blew their mind when they heard that the deal was 5-6 years long for a point guard of all things. I guess this is the season to see which warrior fans will jump ship first. Another 10 years and another 10 different coaches? No problem. I'm kinda used to it anyway.. Anyway I should update the team's needs analysis thread.
I am absolutely mystified by the negative response to this signing. It seems that there is a real misunderstanding (or disagreement) as to the type of team we are going to have. Perhaps there is a lot of resentment as to the size and length of these contracts, but to that, all I have to say is that as long as we are here talking about it, there is clearly a demand, and where there is a demand, there is cash. It seems to me, that Chris Mullins' major concern is to accumulate basketball players, and when I say that I don't just mean people who get payed to do it professionally, but people who understand all aspects of the game, and can do all the things necessary to get yourself or a teammate an easy basket and keep your opponent from getting such an opportunity. D. Fischer is such a player. His addition gives us three superior perimeter defenders with M Pietrus and Speedy. He is someone who will hold down the fort, and teach, while the younger players are adjusting to Montgomerys' new offense (which my gut tells me will include a lot of motion and a heavy dose of pick and roll) and bring the experience of winning. There is often talk of needing 'stars' and needing cap space for the future, which cannot be disregarded, but recognizing that, stars do not come to play for losers willingly. Good businessmen do not throw money at a proven failure. I say with confidence that Mullin and Cohan have an agreement. If Mullin proves that his vision has a future (i.e. the playoffs), Cohan will happily go over the Cap to get to the top of the mountain. And make no mistake, Fischer did not just come here because we offered him the most money. Mullin sold him on a plan, and let him know what his role would be. Fischer is an Avery Johnson who can play. He'll be a head coach in 15 years, and we'll make the playoffs this year with his signing. I've said a lot and touched on far too much for such a forum. If you've plowed through all of this diatribe , you're a better man than I.
Wow, I dont know what to think. At first I was thinking how did we get Derek Fisher? Then I heard the contract and got sick to my stomach. I can not believe Fish did not sign with the Rockets. That is the Lakers of the future right there. I did not know he was that old either. I dont know what the plan is. Is it for him to start? If it is, then I hope Speedy brings his A game and beats him out. I am all for the best player starting. Is it for him to be an insurance policy? That is WAY too expensive for an insurance policy. Will NVE and Damp be a sign and trade deal on the way for Bender or something even better? That would be great. Fish definately gives us depth. Welcome aboard Fish! And to Mullin, I hope you know what you are doing. If you turn out like Danny Ainge, we will be in big trouble...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting meshgearfox:</div><div class="quote_post"> I've said a lot and touched on far too much for such a forum. If you've plowed through all of this diatribe , you're a better man than I.</div>No, that is exactly what this forum is about, quality. Good post.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">And to Mullin, I hope you know what you are doing. If you turn out like Danny Ainge, we will be in big trouble...</div> I think it's not necessarily fair to judge Danny Ainge at this point in his process... what he's trying to do is high risk, high reward, but I agree with his basic premise, that the Celtics as they were we a deeply fundamentally flawed team that needed to get rid of Antoine Walker to improve their offensive discipline, and needed to spread their abilities at more positions. He knew they weren't going to contend for a title as they were, which is all the Celtic organization is really about. So he blew the thing up, and he's bringing in good young players like Welsch.
This freakin sucks. Derek Fisher?! He's okay but for that much money?! I wanted to do the Dever plan, they kept their young talent and signed Kenyon Martin. We'll have a lot of cap space next year but we don't have enough to sign Murphy, JRich get a big time FA then sign Dunleavy and speedy next offseason. I think Mullin has lost confidence in one or more of these guys and If I was a betting man I would say speedy is one of them. Fisher is not even a good defender. Obviously Cohan is saying "playoffs or bust". I'd rather miss the playoffs next year and add a big time FA. The Foyle contract I can live with but this one is plain stupid.
Wow I never saw this coming, I thought for sure he'd take the Rockets offer...this is as confusing as it gets, and it sucks for Rockets fans...good pickup for GS, altho im not really completely understanding the whole deal...
"Sources close to the SuperSonics said Fisher's agent, Mark Bartelstein, informed the club Thursday it had lost out to the Warriors. The SuperSonics were led to believe Fisher had been given every indication by Mullin that he'd be the starting point guard from Day 1." http://www.oaklandtribune.com/Stories/0,14...2275983,00.html
Maybe the reason Mullin is signing all these characters to big chunks of money is because he is planning to get that FA aquisition through a trade involving Dampier. That way we will still have the money to resign our players and we don't have to go searching for a superstar next offseason. Who do you guys think is on Mully's radar?
Good fine, goldenstatefan. I was really hoping we could give Speedy a chance, I thought he proved last year that he was worthy of a starting role. As the article points out, Claxton had better numbers than Fisher. Even in starting-only roles, Fisher averaged 10 points, 4 assists and 5.3 rebounds with 1.3 steals a game, while Claxton averaged 13.6 point, 5.3 assists, and 2.9 rebounds with 2 steals a game. Claxton even shot 33% from 3 point as a starter (thought his totals over the season were pretty bad), while Fisher averaged about 30% for the season. If they wanted to run a super-small lineup, they now have the men to do that, with Claxton, Fisher, Richardson, Dunleavy, and Murphy or Adonal. It'd never work, though; Nelly's small-ball approach would be bowled over by today's modern paradigm of continually bigger players. If he trades Claxton or NVE, it'd probably be to a team desperate for a PG. I'm not really sure how I'd gauge the interest in these two, though. Claxton makes 3.3 million and is on the books for 2 years and thus is attractive except for his injuries. NVE makes 11.8 million but has an expiring contract, thus making him attractive to any team looking to wait one more season to rebuild. (The Hawks?)
I think there are two ways to look at this situation: 1) The pessimistic way (A.K.A. doing the opposite of what Denver and Utah did). Last year, the Warriors traded Jamison, Fortson, Welsch, and Sura for short contracts and it looked like the Warriors were going the Denver/Utah route: dumping as much salary as possible then going for a big time free agent. If that was what they really inteded last year (and Mullin seemed to indicate that), well then they've just totally reversed course, and are now doing things the exact opposite of how Denver and Utah would have done them. They are spending money just to spend money and overpaying for guys who have peaked and will never receive a single all star vote. If this is true, then Mulin is showing that he has even less ability than Saint to steer the team in one constant direction. 2) The optimistic way (A.K.A. the Memphis blueprint). Mullin has come in as GM, hired a coach who no one expected him to hire, and is building a roster full of character guys, based on a theory that 9-10 good guys playing 20-30 minutes a night is better than 5-6 guys playing 35 minutes a night and one superstar getting 40+ minutes. He can platoon every position and feels he may already have his star players in Pietrus, Dunleavy, Richardson, Murphy, and Biedrins (geez this kid is looking good in the summer league games). Right now its too early to tell which approach is the correct one. We need to at least wait and see what Mullin does with NVE and Damp. There's one thing I know for certain though, Speedy is not a happy camper right now.
NVE receives 12 mils. 6.9 mils trade exception is not even close. Back to Fisher... One thing is pretty sure. Mullin does not have much confidence on Speedy and Speedy can easily be moved, despite what he did last season...
btw, i think GS is planning something with Dallas (who needs a PG now that Nash is gone).. Van Exel to Dallas for Antoine Walker?
