Free Agent Derrick Jones to Portland

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by illmatic99, Nov 20, 2020.

  1. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,452
    Likes Received:
    38,476
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    FTFY.

    I'm not a Crowder fan so meh.

    Ibaka is interesting. He likely didn't have that deal on the table day one, since the Clippers probably don't sign him if they keep Harrell. Granted, maybe Ibaka goes to the Lakers then, but I have to wonder if we actually pursued him day one.
     
  2. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    30,277
    Likes Received:
    23,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right brain fart. Maybe we made the same offer to Ibaka, maybe not, but the reports were that he had a 1 year/12 milion deal from Toronto from day one. So he would have had to like us a lot more than returning to Toronto to even consider us.

    He also projects into a larger role in both Toronto and LAC (or LAL).

    All speculation of course, but if I was Ibaka, I would choose one of the other 3 teams over Portland as well.
     
  3. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,452
    Likes Received:
    38,476
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    If Dame drives into a clogged paint, there's a likely chance he won't have a passing window to DJJ. Can't just assume he'd be able to deliver DJJ the ball when he's surrounded by multiple defenders.

    But I agree in terms of him being good as a cutter/diver/lob target, which goes directly back to the main point: His offensive productivity will depend on two things, his jumpshot and if he's utilized correctly.
     
    Tince likes this.
  4. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,452
    Likes Received:
    38,476
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    He might've prefered a 2-year, $19M deal over a 1-year, $12M deal. Same with Millsap. But we'll never know if we offered him.
     
  5. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    66,379
    Likes Received:
    64,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A couple of guys who gave Dame trouble with the trap are now his teammates and it's fair to say they gave other teams problems with the trap as well....good defenders pick up the pt guard before he crosses half court. Stotts coached a Lamarcus led team which had a top 10 defense before Wes injury....now with an improved roster he can hopefully get us back there again
     
    Eastoff, 42N8Bounce, Tince and 2 others like this.
  6. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    14,842
    Likes Received:
    14,200
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sounds like we agree, personnel can restrict a coaches ability to impliment specific schemes, as you noted with OKC and Denver.

    We used a few 2-1-2 attacks against the Lakers. I thought I recalled you being happy with the options in Game 1. Do you have a non 2-1-2 scheme that you think is more effective?

    As you know, when a defense traps, you don't get to decide who you pass it to ahead of time, instead you have to try and give your team as many options to be successful depending on who the defense decides to leave open. Thus, the issue we've had when teams have had the option to lay off players who are below average shooters, play-makers, and finishers at the room.

    Of course, when you are 6'8" and have a more clear line-of-sight to your options, that will allow you to make better reads, throw a more direct pass, and in turn increase the pressure on the defense. Sadly for us, the guys the get doubled on our roster are 6'3" and under.
     
  7. 42N8Bounce

    42N8Bounce Red Hot And Rebuilding

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2011
    Messages:
    2,577
    Likes Received:
    7,130
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    West Linn, OR
    This sounds a lot like Walton (outlet passes & high post), Lucas (rebounding), Twardzik, Hollins (pushing the pace), and Gross (cutter).

    That strategy may work. We have a lot of the players with the right skill sets.
     
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2020
    Wizard Mentor likes this.
  8. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2014
    Messages:
    19,705
    Likes Received:
    16,267
    Trophy Points:
    113
    returned to Denver
     
  9. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

    Joined:
    May 7, 2015
    Messages:
    44,452
    Likes Received:
    38,476
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA
    Huh? You design ways to outlet the ball out of the trap into a situation where you can attack the 4v3 advantage. The coach is literally supposed to design who to pass it to ahead of time.
     
  10. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    30,277
    Likes Received:
    23,037
    Trophy Points:
    113


    This guy has the most flat personality I've ever seen. I thought Aminu was a bad interview but damn.....DJJ brings it to a whole nother level.
     
    Tince and Natebishop3 like this.
  11. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    90,262
    Likes Received:
    52,303
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Which is funny compared to RoCo.
     
    blazerkor likes this.
  12. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    30,277
    Likes Received:
    23,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yeah, RoCo is super open. Obviously, at the end of the day, play on the court is the most important thing. ET was one of the most hilarious dudes ever, but on the floor, he left a lot to be desired.

    I just thought it was funny how dull DJJ was. Even my girlfriend, who doesn't watch or care about basketball at all came over and asked me if this guy was unhappy or depressed.
     
    Eastoff and Natebishop3 like this.
  13. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    56,227
    Likes Received:
    54,026
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYstateofmind
    Harkless was the same way when he first came here, and he opened up like crazy. Keep forgetting Jones is only 22.
     
    riverman and Haakzilla like this.
  14. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    14,842
    Likes Received:
    14,200
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Correct... you're saying a coach can decide which one player is open for the first pass? I'm saying the defense also has a say in which players they're more comfortable leaving open. NBA teams aren't going to be able to run a set play to break a trap over and over, they're going to have to read and react.

    For example. A team might decide Nurk would eat them alive at the block, but if he wants to catch it at 30ft, they'd be ok with that. They might be willing to keep a guy between DJJ and the basket, but won't worry about closing out on him because they are willing to live with a 28% shooter taking a shot over Dame & CJ.

    I'm open to seeing your scheme that eliminates the defense having ability to pick where they can mitigate their risk.
     
  15. B-Roy

    B-Roy If it takes months

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2008
    Messages:
    30,277
    Likes Received:
    23,037
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He is going to turn 24 in 3 months....
     
    Tince likes this.
  16. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    56,227
    Likes Received:
    54,026
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    NYstateofmind
    ah, oops. my point remains. Some dudes are just guarded
     
    Haakzilla likes this.
  17. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    20,938
    Likes Received:
    32,828
    Trophy Points:
    113
    unless CJ is on them
     
  18. riverman

    riverman Writing Team

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2013
    Messages:
    66,379
    Likes Received:
    64,529
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He's been in Florida....he's just cold landing in Portland! He'll acclimate! Takes a few weeks.
     
    blazerkor likes this.
  19. Mr. Robot

    Mr. Robot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2017
    Messages:
    4,440
    Likes Received:
    4,071
    Trophy Points:
    113
    that moment with jason quick was... awkward, to put it lightly
     
    riverman likes this.
  20. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    13,851
    Likes Received:
    13,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    probably reads s2...
     

Share This Page