umair has you in that one junoon my top 10 would be the same except Kobe and Lebron would be ahead of Wade
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Your bias for McGrady is borderline ridiculous. The guy is a chronic band-aid, and didn't play half the season last year. Sure he once was top 10, but after last year, you can't put him there with a straight face. Arenas has proven that he's elite, and Melo was the second best player on the US team. What has McGrady done lately other than sit on the bench?</div> Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic as a Rockets fan, but I expect he'll be more productive this season than those two.. The only thing holding him back is an injury. If he's relatively healthy, I think he's better than Arenas and Carmelo. He's certainly as explosive, scoring-wise, and he's clearly more versatile as well. People forget how dominant McGrady was when he hit his stride in 2005 with the Rockets and into the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Elton Brand is so underrated.</div> The guy put him in the top 15, that is more than good for Elton Brand. Yes, he puts up amazing stats, but he's only been to the playoffs ONCE. I'm sorry, but that should tell you something. So much of the game is MENTAL. To me Brand is like KG WITHOUT the heart. For that I would put him somewhere in the 20's...don't say he has had no help, Kobe, AI, Paul Pierce and TMac have all taken their teams at least to the first round with no help. everyone who knows the league knows that if Sam Cassell didn't join the Clippers last year, they wouldn't have played in May. To me the best Brand quote that sums him up is he was asked about what it was like playing in June, and he said normally he would be on the beach, which would be cool, but playing in the playoffs was "cool too". The guy was actually weighing which is better, being a non-playoff beach bum or playing for all the chips - - can you imagine Kobe AI Dirk or anyone else on that top 10 even THINKING about which scenario was better?? I know it's "fashionable" to like Brand cause he's a lesser known superstar and he isn't flashy - your Brand-favoring is transparent. it's kind of like when people like bands that no-one else likes JUST cause no-one else likes. (Sorry bro dont' mean to be harsh) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ks1:</div><div class="quote_post">Why is Paul on that list?! Maybe Top 25 in the league, but not yet Top 10...Give him another year</div> I agree talk about jumping the gun on nothing more than a VERY PROMISING player. Again, no playoff experience. ZERO. No international experience. How are you a top 10 basketball player in the world and you have no experience of serious competition?? You can't already be an elite player after 1 year...MJ wasn't, Kobe wasn't, they had to EARN it. time to get off Chris Paul's nuts!
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The guy put him in the top 15, that is more than good for Elton Brand. Yes, he puts up amazing stats, but he's only been to the playoffs ONCE. I'm sorry, but that should tell you something.</div> It tells me he was on some bad teams. And are we talking about where Brand should rank two years ago, or right now? I assume we're talking about the present. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So much of the game is MENTAL. To me Brand is like KG WITHOUT the heart. For that I would put him somewhere in the 20's...don't say he has had no help, Kobe, AI, Paul Pierce and TMac have all taken their teams at least to the first round with no help. everyone who knows the league knows that if Sam Cassell didn't join the Clippers last year, they wouldn't have played in May. To me the best Brand quote that sums him up is he was asked about what it was like playing in June, and he said normally he would be on the beach, which would be cool, but playing in the playoffs was "cool too". The guy was actually weighing which is better, being a non-playoff beach bum or playing for all the chips - - can you imagine Kobe AI Dirk or anyone else on that top 10 even THINKING about which scenario was better??</div> I'm not a psychologist. I'm only talking about basketball, not a person's mental makeup. And Brand is a hell of a basketball player. Definitely top 10 last year. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I know it's "fashionable" to like Brand cause he's a lesser known superstar and he isn't flashy - your Brand-favoring is transparent. it's kind of like when people like bands that no-one else likes JUST cause no-one else likes. (Sorry bro dont' mean to be harsh) </div> Wow. I guess you are a psychologist. Apparently you figured me all out from the simple statement, "Elton Brand is so underrated." That's an amazing talent.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> Wow. I guess you are a psychologist. Apparently you figured me all out from the simple statement, "Elton Brand is so underrated." That's an amazing talent.</div> No, it was just a guess, I know you have put more thought into it than that. But would you really put him ahead of KG for example?
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, it was just a guess, I know you have put more thought into it than that. But would you really put him ahead of KG for example?</div> Definitely not. The players on that list I'd definitely put him ahead of are Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, and Shawn Marion. Unless those guys improved a lot over the summer, I think that's a no-brainer. Personally, if I was starting a franchise next year, I'd also rather have Brand than Iverson, Arenas, and Pierce. Probably Steve Nash as well. So, he'd be in my top 10.
Im not sure i like this list. 1.Kobe 2.Lebron 3.D-wade thats how i see the top 3, and btw Tmac should be in there.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Definitely not. The players on that list I'd definitely put him ahead of are Carmelo Anthony, Chris Paul, and Shawn Marion. Unless those guys improved a lot over the summer, I think that's a no-brainer. Personally, if I was starting a franchise next year, I'd also rather have Brand than Iverson, Arenas, and Pierce. Probably Steve Nash as well. So, he'd be in my top 10.</div>I take it you place more value on big guys than guards. that's cool. Well I can definitely see a team with Brand as the first building block might be a wiser choice than one with IVerson Pierce or Gilbert. You've got a solid two-way player and you know he won't be too much Ego to handle which cannot be said for those other dudes. Then again, does he have the ability to create 8 points out of nowhere when needed the way those guys do? You could make a case for any of them. I just don't think being in the top 15 is being underrated. You can switch the order any way you want but to be a top 15 player is to be in the top 5% of the league. IT doesn't get much better praise.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">2005-06 Miami Heat Dallas Mavericks 4-2 Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat 2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Detroit Pistons 4-3 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 2003-04 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-1 Chauncey Billups, Detroit Pistons 2002-03 San Antonio Spurs New Jersey Nets 4-2 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers New Jersey Nets 4-0 Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles 2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Philadelphia 76ers 4-1 Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles 1999-00 Los Angeles Lakers Indiana Pacers 4-2 Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles 1998-99 San Antonio Spurs New York Knicks 4-1 Tim Duncan, San Antonio 1997-98 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2 Michael Jordan, Chicago 1996-97 Chicago Bulls Utah Jazz 4-2 Michael Jordan, Chicago 1995-96 Chicago Bulls Seattle SuperSonics 4-2 Michael Jordan, Chicago 1994-95 Houston Rockets Orlando Magic 4-0 Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston 1993-94 Houston Rockets New York Knicks 4-3 Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston 1992-93 Chicago Bulls Phoenix Suns 4-2 Michael Jordan, Chicago 1991-92 Chicago Bulls Portland Trail Blazers 4-2 Michael Jordan, Chicago 1990-91 Chicago Bulls Los Angeles Lakers 4-1 Michael Jordan, Chicago 1989-90 Detroit Pistons Portland Trail Blazers 4-1 Isiah Thomas, Detroit 1988-89 Detroit Pistons Los Angeles Lakers 4-0 Joe Dumars, Detroit 1987-88 Los Angeles Lakers Detroit Pistons 4-3 James Worthy, Los Angeles 1986-87 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-2 Magic Johnson, Los Angeles 1985-86 Boston Celtics Houston Rockets 4-2 Larry Bird, Boston 1984-85 Los Angeles Lakers Boston Celtics 4-2 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Los Angeles 1983-84 Boston Celtics Los Angeles Lakers 4-3 Larry Bird, Boston ...</div> This is a pretty good indicator of the best players in the world over the last 22 years. Chauncey Billups is the only anomoly. LBJ Kobe or Garnett will never touch that list.
<div class="quote_poster">Heat4Life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">wouldn't you say this is a pretty good indicator of the best players in the world over the last 22 years? Chauncey Billups is the only anomoly on this list.</div> Close but where's Kobe, David Robinson and Allen Iverson? They are all among the best alltime in my opinion.
i dont agree with that top 5 at all..... gotta be 1. kobe 2. iverson 3. wade 4. lebron 5. nowitzki kobe is the best player in the world. there is no arguement for that, and iverson basically is kobe in a smaller body, with a slightly different playing style. the rest are arguable.
<div class="quote_poster">Answer_AI03 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">kobe is the best player in the world. there is no arguement for that,</div> Kobe might be the best, but you can't say it's not debatable.
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Durvasa, i don't think that those 5 players after in any order. He just said, the next five.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"></div> the article just said, the next 5, not 11-15. They are also ordered with bullets and not numbers like the top ten.
Kobe is the best because he sabatoged his team's title hopes to score his 35ppg and that's what really matters at the end of the day. Every team could use a Kobe. (edit: sabotoge is not the right word. His team needed him to score 35ppg)
<div class="quote_poster">TheFreshPrince Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">the article just said, the next 5, not 11-15. They are also ordered with bullets and not numbers like the top ten.</div> I see. Maybe you're right, but if that was the case I would have expect them to explicitly say that or at least for the names to be in alphabetical order or something.
<div class="quote_poster">Answer_AI03 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">i dont agree with that top 5 at all..... gotta be 1. kobe 2. iverson 3. wade 4. lebron 5. nowitzki kobe is the best player in the world. there is no arguement for that, and iverson basically is kobe in a smaller body, with a slightly different playing style. the rest are arguable.</div> Iverson doesn't belong at #2. Now way, no how. Man, if Iverson was traded to a good team, man o man...he'd be UP THERE. I think they have Wade placed at one mainly because of his ring. If it were my list... 1. LBJ/Kobe (too equal to me, just kobe is really good in clutch performances) 2. Kobe/LBJ 3. Wade 4. Dirk 5. KG 6. Nash 7. Iverson 8. Brand 9. TMac 10. Carmelo/Marion/Arenas (Im feelin Carmelo after great FIBA performance, Marion - great all around, Arenas could work himself a #10 spot. Im not really feelin TD here...
