<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 24 2006, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Definately not MVP. He is a top 5 candidate, but Nash, Kobe and Bron all should ge tit over him.</div>Kobe and Lebron definitely don't deserve to be ahead of Dirk or Nash. Their teams aren't going far and possibly could still miss the playoffs if they collapse. Nash has done great as well as Dirk this year.
Dirk Nowitzki is MVP in my eyes and has been for the past few years. It's just we dont get any damn respect thats why people shadow us and say we arent good. I can only see 2 people win it this season Dirk and his Canadian pal Steve....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 24 2006, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe and Lebron definitely don't deserve to be ahead of Dirk or Nash. Their teams aren't going far and possibly could still miss the playoffs if they collapse. Nash has done great as well as Dirk this year.</div>Without Kobe on lakers, Lakers would be worst team in league. Without Bron, Cavs would be one of the bottom 3 teams in league. Without Dirk, Dallas would be an 8th seed in playoffs. Cavs are almost at 40 wins and about 10 games over .500. Lakers are gonna make playoffs, probably 7th seed. And if you bring in the numbers, Kobe's 35PPG and Bron's 30/7/7 outweighs Dirk's stats.
Proud to be apart of this game where Dirk scored 51. Hopefully they will vote on who also plays a roll in team work and not who chucks up 80 points
my 5 candidates for MVP are Chauncey BillupsKobe BryantLeBron JamesSteve NashDirk Nowitzki(notice they are in ABC order!)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 24 2006, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Without Kobe on lakers, Lakers would be worst team in league. Without Bron, Cavs would be one of the bottom 3 teams in league. Without Dirk, Dallas would be an 8th seed in playoffs. Cavs are almost at 40 wins and about 10 games over .500. Lakers are gonna make playoffs, probably 7th seed. And if you bring in the numbers, Kobe's 35PPG and Bron's 30/7/7 outweighs Dirk's stats.</div>That is really irrelevant. If we are going by that standard, Shaq and Iverson should have won the MVP award more than one time each.Kobe is a great superstar player, and LBJ is a good star player, but in no way do they deserve the MVP award this year.
And why not? They have the best numbers in the NBA, and without them, their teams would be NOTHING. That is the point of the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award!!! How valuable are they to their teams and what would their teams be without them...that is what classifies an MVP. It isn't who's the ebst player, it is who is most valuable. Suns would be not much without Nash, and with him they are gonna be a near 60 win team. Without Bron, Cavs would be lottrey team. Same with Lakers. But with them, they are all playoff teams.
I think it is more impressive turning a mediocre team to a 60+ win team over turning a sorry team into a mediocre team. That is just me though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Mar 24 2006, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And why not? They have the best numbers in the NBA, and without them, their teams would be NOTHING. That is the point of the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award!!! How valuable are they to their teams and what would their teams be without them...that is what classifies an MVP. It isn't who's the ebst player, it is who is most valuable. Suns would be not much without Nash, and with him they are gonna be a near 60 win team. Without Bron, Cavs would be lottrey team. Same with Lakers. But with them, they are all playoff teams.</div>Obviously, that is your way of interpreting what the MVP award stands for, and I can understand why. However, historically, the award is not given out based on that reasoning. It is usually given to the best player on one of the best teams in the league, or the player with the biggest impact on one of the best teams in the league.Like I said before, if you are willing to give Kobe the award this year, then AI deserved to win it around two more times than he did because of how he carried the Sixers into the playoffs when he had little to no help around him.Yes, with LBJ the Cavs are a playoff team, and with Kobe the Lakers are a playoff team. But, the Lakers are barely a playoff team... and the Cavs play in the weak Eastern Conference, so they should make the playoffs with LeBron.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 25 2006, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think it is more impressive turning a mediocre team to a 60+ win team over turning a sorry team into a mediocre team. That is just me though.</div>Agreed. Hell, I'd give the award to Artest before I'd give it to Kobe or LeBron, but barely...
It's just so funny to c players score so much and yet their team still loses. I think it's happened to LBJ the most.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Mar 25 2006, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Obviously, that is your way of interpreting what the MVP award stands for, and I can understand why. However, historically, the award is not given out based on that reasoning. It is usually given to the best player on one of the best teams in the league, or the player with the biggest impact on one of the best teams in the league.Like I said before, if you are willing to give Kobe the award this year, then AI deserved to win it around two more times than he did because of how he carried the Sixers into the playoffs when he had little to no help around him.Yes, with LBJ the Cavs are a playoff team, and with Kobe the Lakers are a playoff team. But, the Lakers are barely a playoff team... and the Cavs play in the weak Eastern Conference, so they should make the playoffs with LeBron.</div>It is player who is doing most for his team, and if you took him off the team, they'd be lottery bound.Unlike AI, Kobe is doing it in the western conference in a much tougher division, and his numbers are better than AI has ever put up.Lakers are gonna be a 7 seed. And shut the hell up with the Cavs, the East is much stronger than it has been in the past few years, and they play in a tough division, yet they are still in 4th place and have 3rd best record in East. Again, it is player most valuable to team. Dirk's team would still easily be playoff bound if he was taken off. The Suns, Lakers and Cavs would crumble without their superstars.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Agreed. Hell, I'd give the award to Artest before I'd give it to Kobe or LeBron, but barely...</div>Artest turned an average team into slightly above average. Lakers are better than them because of Kobe, yet Artest has Bibby, Miller, etc... around him.
The Kings have been playing much better than the Lakers and will eventually pass them. That one game the Lakers played against the Kings was in LA but the Kings are on a big winning streak at home.
Well, Dirk and Nash are the only two players who deserve the 1st and 2nd place votes, and Billups, as well.BTW, if you're wondering about Dirk's bad playoffs, blame Avery.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Mar 25 2006, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Kings have been playing much better than the Lakers and will eventually pass them. That one game the Lakers played against the Kings was in LA but the Kings are on a big winning streak at home.</div>No they haven't. Lakers are 37-34, Kings are 34-34, and over past 2-3 weeks have been very up and down. Lakers have kept winning. Even if you think Kings are better, they wouldn't be as bad without Artest as Lakers would without Kobe.As I said before, Dirk's team would definately be a dangerous playoff team without Dirk. Lakers, Suns, and Cavs would all be pretty damn bad. Not so much Suns, but Nash has made so many players into 20+PPG threats that he definately deserves it (especially without Amare all year).
I'm sorry. I don't think mediocre teams deserve to have the MVP of the league. It has to be a championship contender or a top 5 team. Also the Kings a long way back from where they were before with the lakers. I say the kings are a 50 win team with Artest so in that case I see them passing the lakers just before the playoffs start despite the recent slump.
Guys, there's a DIFFERENCE between who DESERVES it and who WINS it.Kobe might DESERVE it, Marion might DESERVE it, AI might DESERVE it, LeBron might DESERVE it, but who either Dirk or Nash WINS it!!!
No way in hell will Dirk win it. Dirk doesn't deserve it as his team would be over .500 and well into playoffs without him, and his numbers aren't as good as 4 or 5 other contendors. I doubt he wille ven come in top 4-5 voting.
