Dirk Sniping

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
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HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP.

Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
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HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP.

Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again
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Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening.

 

Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a fucking round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

Fuck Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div>

Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then.
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HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP.

Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again
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Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening.
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wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better???

Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a ****ing round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

**** Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.</div>


Seems like your very emotional involved into this. I don't agree with what George is doing but I can't fault him it his to do it. Just because I don't agree or understand it means I can say duke is wrong or this and that. It's his option he can do what he wants.

My point is who is Dirk to say this or that. People can say George is holding this team back but Dirk hasn't really been helping the team rise when they needed him the most.

No one is giving him a round of applause. As Kenny Reggie and Magic have said he has the right to what's best for him as the Mavs has the right to do what's best the Organization. They didn't agree with why but they acknowledge he has the right to do it.

If this trade is meant to happen it will.

Also what George is doing is no different than what Kidd has been doing for the last couple months. Looking out for numero uno

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Score it as a dubious block
Move by a Maverick is difficult to defend

February 17, 2008
You really have to wonder what Devean George is thinking. How, exactly, is he watching out for his best interests by making himself persona non grata in Dallas and a league laughingstock just about everywhere else?

Yes, he had every right to do what he did. But that only becomes pertinent if there's a logical, rational reason for doing what he did. Frankly, there isn't. The next person to defend George for doing the sensible thing by blocking the trade to the Nets will be the first.

Basically, by exercising his right not to be traded, George is holding on to the hope - some might say delusion - that there's a team out there that will pay him more than the mid-level exception when he becomes a free agent this summer. This from a guy who signed for $2.369 million this season. Had he agreed to the trade, he would have surrendered the right to a huge payday and could not be re-signed by the Mavericks for anything more than the mid-level, currently around $5.35 million.

Vladimir Radmanovic went through a similar situation when he was with Seattle. He OK'd a trade to the Clippers, but in doing so, forfeited his rights to get a huge contract when he next signed. He ended up getting the full mid-level from the Lakers in free agency. And most would consider him a better player than George. In other words, you would have a hard time finding a team to pay George even the mid-level, as evidenced by what he's now making.

It might be easy to point the finger at the Mavericks or Nets for not recognizing this peculiar (but not all that unfamiliar) part of George's deal. You have to think they knew about it - and probably had a good chuckle over that particular clause torpedoing the deal.

And what is George's agent, Mark Bartelstein, thinking? Other than trying to extract a little extra dough? He already got George a 15 percent trade kicker (which he gets for many of his clients; even Scot Pollard has one). His advice should be obvious: Go to Jersey, kid, and make the most out of it.

Clearly, George can't stay in Dallas, where he is sure to be killed in print and over the air every time Jason Terry throws a pass into the loge section. (George went 0 for 11 in his first game after the trade fell through.) The prospect of getting Jason Kidd to go along with Dirk Nowitzki, Josh Howard, and Terry has many Mavericks fans drooling (although some are lamenting the loss of Devin Harris) and would add some much-needed toughness and grit to the team.

As Kobe Bryant put it, "Dallas won 67 games last year. An opportunity to get a player like Jason is too good to pass up."

You may recall that Bryant threw a williwaw last year when the Lakers wouldn't part with Andrew Bynum as part of the package to get Kidd to Los Angeles. While Bynum has made a quantum leap this season, that has in no way diminished Bryant's ardor for Kidd, whom he knows he'll never see in a Lakers uniform now.

"Jason Kidd is one of the greatest point guards of all time," Bryant said. "Why wouldn't you do that deal?"</div>

continued here http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/ar..._dubious_block/

oh, and how many championships has kobe 'lead' his team to?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a ****ing round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

**** Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.</div>


Seems like your very emotional involved into this. I don't agree with what George is doing but I can't fault him it his to do it. Just because I don't agree or understand it means I can say duke is wrong or this and that. It's his option he can do what he wants.

My point is who is Dirk to say this or that. People can say George is holding this team back but Dirk hasn't really been helping the team rise when they needed him the most.

No one is giving him a round of applause. As Kenny Reggie and Magic have said he has the right to what's best for him as the Mavs has the right to do what's best the Organization. They didn't agree with why but they acknowledge he has the right to do it.

If this trade is meant to happen it will.

Also what George is doing is no different than what Kidd has been doing for the last couple months. Looking out for numero uno
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Which is why I want Kidd to get the hell outta here. I'm thinking about the Nets when I'm getting pissed at George. I wanted them to get the best deal possible for Kidd, and IMO, that's what they would've gotten from Dallas.

Oh, and I didn't realize you didn't agree with it, haha. I guess I was just assuming that based on what you were saying.

IMO what's best for Devean George would be a trade to New Jersey, for one reason or another. I mean, for one, they could just waive him or buy him out, and he could sign with a contending team. For another thing, he'd probably get more PT in Jersey than in Dallas if he stayed. I really don't think George knows what he's doing.

He is definitely hurting the team's chance at a championship, and really killing their chemistry.

 

No way he gets more PT in NJ. NJ has RJ and Nachbar/Mike Miller (if the trade happened) in front of him.

Plus, I think he just doesn't want to goto NJ. He's been on a contending team his whole career. Probably thinks he's too good to be a part of a rebuilding effort, especially on a different coast.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 17 2008, 02:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George sucks, is greedy, and is extremely dumb; and deserves any "sniping" that anyone dishes out to him.


And I don't get how Dirk gets lashing for "fracturing" the locker room, but George gets a ****ing round of applause, for doing it multiple times.

**** Devean George. He wanted to be traded a couple weeks ago. What the hell is up with him flip-flopping with that bullshit? You know what? He sucks, and should get that POS "no-trade clause" BS taken away for being a douche bag.</div>


Seems like your very emotional involved into this. I don't agree with what George is doing but I can't fault him it his to do it. Just because I don't agree or understand it means I can say duke is wrong or this and that. It's his option he can do what he wants.

My point is who is Dirk to say this or that. People can say George is holding this team back but Dirk hasn't really been helping the team rise when they needed him the most.

No one is giving him a round of applause. As Kenny Reggie and Magic have said he has the right to what's best for him as the Mavs has the right to do what's best the Organization. They didn't agree with why but they acknowledge he has the right to do it.

If this trade is meant to happen it will.

Also what George is doing is no different than what Kidd has been doing for the last couple months. Looking out for numero uno
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Which is why I want Kidd to get the hell outta here. I'm thinking about the Nets when I'm getting pissed at George. I wanted them to get the best deal possible for Kidd, and IMO, that's what they would've gotten from Dallas.

Oh, and I didn't realize you didn't agree with it, haha. I guess I was just assuming that based on what you were saying.

IMO what's best for Devean George would be a trade to New Jersey, for one reason or another. I mean, for one, they could just waive him or buy him out, and he could sign with a contending team. For another thing, he'd probably get more PT in Jersey than in Dallas if he stayed. I really don't think George knows what he's doing.

He is definitely hurting the team's chance at a championship, and really killing their chemistry.
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Then I totally understand where you are coming from. When I first heard the trade was blocked I was pissed as hell. I felt the Nets received a damn good deal but when I finally found out why I had to check myself. Sure I don't agree with George but I understand it his right. Though as many pointed out. He would do better displaying his skills on the Nets where he would get more playing time instead of the Mavs.

Unless he thinks he is really going to come up big in the playoffs ie: Tim Thomas. Does he feel it's better to display what you can do for a contender instead of a young team on the rise. It would make sense to show what he can do on a young team. That way teams needing a vet off the bench would see what George can do.


As I said I don't understand it. Kenny said something though. The world now knows who George is and if that's what he wanted he accomplish that. Also teams will know that he is the type of player who will look out for himself first.

He will be very disappointed in the off season

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 17 2008, 03:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No way he gets more PT in NJ. NJ has RJ and Nachbar/Mike Miller (if the trade happened) in front of him.

Plus, I think he just doesn't want to goto NJ. He's been on a contending team his whole career. Probably thinks he's too good to be a part of a rebuilding effort, especially on a different coast.</div>

And if we don't get Mike Miller? It'd just be Boki on the bench next to him, along with Marcus and Darrell, who may play spot minutes at the 2. So he would definitely have to get minutes, unless we wanna play RJ and Carter more minutes than they'd be able to handle, and rarely play small-ball (which Frank loves to do). Plus, Frank loves the veterans.

Also, funny to see that he's too good to be a part of a rebuilding effort...when he definitely isn't good enough any more to play on a playoff-contending team.

 

i think it stinks that george is holding up the trade but i can't fault him for it. I don't think it's fair to call him selfish in this scenario. I think it would be selfish if they asked him to take a paycut in order to bring kidd in and he refused. But they are basically asking him to get out so dallas can bring in another player. In his mind, he'd rather be on dallas and contribute to possibly helping them win a championship. What does it do for him to go to NJ and watch dallas win a championship without him? you think anyone is going to call him up and thank him?

 

i blame george for being so blantantly in denial that he is going to get paid next summer, he's not, at this point in his career, he's a camp invite.

i also blame mavs management for giving this guy a no trade clause, what the hell, what would possibly lead you to give this man a no trade clause.

even tho, dirk is so offbase with these comments, he;s obviously pissed at george but once divan gets traded, he's no longer a mav and is not a part of the team,

 

Jizzy, do you seriously not know at this point that George does not have a no-trade clause?

 

Why the hell should George care? The championship-contending Mavs are trading him to a lottery-bound Nets team.

Why should George care about a team that wants to trade him? He also loses his bird rights and that means less money for him.

It's far from selfish. It's looking out for his best interest. In the process he's screwing over a team that doesn't really want him.

 

Why do people keep saying the Mavs are going to give him playing time?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Feb 17 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell should George care? The championship-contending Mavs are trading him to a lottery-bound Nets team.

Why should George care about a team that wants to trade him? He also loses his bird rights and that means less money for him.

It's far from selfish. It's looking out for his best interest. In the process he's screwing over a team that doesn't really want him.</div>
pretty obvious the mavs want to trade him, his teammates know they cant win without kidd, hes basically holding them back. its in his best interest but not the teams

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 17 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Feb 17 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell should George care? The championship-contending Mavs are trading him to a lottery-bound Nets team.

Why should George care about a team that wants to trade him? He also loses his bird rights and that means less money for him.

It's far from selfish. It's looking out for his best interest. In the process he's screwing over a team that doesn't really want him.</div>
pretty obvious the mavs want to trade him, his teammates know they cant win without kidd, hes basically holding them back. its in his best interest but not the teams
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they can't win without Kidd?? Naw they can't win with or without Kidd. I guess when a role player is not doing what he's suppose to he's holding them back but what the hell is Dirk excuse???

You been with this team how long and you need a 35 year old point guard from another team to lead your team to glory??? You sure George is the only person holding the Mavs back and should be the only person who name who starts with D that should be traded?

 

Why do people keep saying that losing his Early Bird rights is going to cause him to make less money?