lol "potentially injured" you could say that about pretty much any contact ever made. pure comedy. but you said yourself that bynums foul was much worse, so i guess you agree with everyone, you only think millerss was "dirtier"
I only brought up the Miller Flagrant on Griffin to illustrate that some posters here defended it at the time, so I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that some Laker fans are defending Bynum. Reading the responses to the Miller foul, it looks as if I proved my point, and that pokint still stands. Some fans of teams will protect their player and excuse blatant cheap shots.
No, not at all. Bynum's is much "dirtier", and I just posted it as being more "bush league", which is what I think of as being "dirty". It's fun when BoobNoMore writes a dissertation smearing me and misreresenting my position, but, that's what his schtick is, so I can't say I'm surprised. And now I get multiple posters who don't have a clue what I actually posted.
personally im not surprised at all that laker fans are defending bynum, thats what they do. and usually blazer fans defend blazer players...
No, because you took what I posted out of context. I think the actual play by Miller, basically body blocking an unaware Griffin, is the more dirty play in terms of the actual act. I think that the timing of Bynum's hard foul on Barea makes his play much worse, though, and hence more "dirty". Anyhow, both players were/will be suspended for their actions, so to me, both are cheap shots.
What does that have to do with anything? If anything, it actually helps prove what a cheap shot it was, since Griffin was so far out of the play that no ref saw it. Miller was suspended for that play, so clearly the NBA didn't care that their refs missed the foul. It's good thing the refs did miss it, to, because had it been seen during play, Miller would have been tossed from the game. Cho is undecided on that one, as has been posted here. Personally, I hope Mller's team option can be used as a trade chip to upgrade either PG or the front-court.
Yeah, I think that the actual act of Miller cowardly blasting into Griffin was a more dirty foul, in technical terms. He knocked a guy who couldn't see him flat off of his feet by ramming him with his shoulder. Sorry, but that could have caused an injury, and it's a cheap shot. Bynum wins the actual "dirty" award, though, since his foul was in garbage time. [video=youtube;Xkl5I-vbywk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkl5I-vbywk[/video]
It was, though. That's why Miller got suspended. Just because the refs missed it doesn't mean it was a foul. Well, Bynum has a history of cheap shots, too. I was surprised at Miller's foul, because it was so out of character for him. Also, the response that you quoted about the dirty foul was in reply to a few posters who thought that Miller's foul wasn't a cheap shot. After watching the video of it, I think any poster defending it is being as big of a homer as some of those Laker fans. Just because Bynum's play was much more bush league than Miller's doesn't mean that the weren't both bush league, IMO.
I agree, and I think that Miller's body block on Griffin could was potentially dangerous as well. I can't remember the last time I saw a foul like that, where one player funs full speed and rams a shoulder into the back of an opposing player who can't see him. Just an odd play, and as I said, very out of character for Miller. It was a bitch move, just like Bynum's cheap shot was a bitch move. Crushing a defenseless opposing player is cowardly, IMO.
I have to say, whenever PapaG decides that it's time to bring ole Andre Miller back for some bashing, the results are amusing...to say the least.
Ask Gerald Wallace about the danger, since he got a collapsed lung from the same "foul" from the same cheapshot coward. It's obvious he's not going after the ball, he's deliberately striking a vital organ with the clear intent to injure him. He does this shit on a regular basis, always with smaller players, always a sucker punch, and there's no place in a credible league for assholes like him.
2 opposite scenarios. Bynum sucker punched the tiniest guy on the court simply because he was being outplayed and embarrassed. Miller was defending himself against a bigger guy who had cheapshot him twice, after first asking the refs to and getting refused.
I do not condone what Bynum did, but to call him classless when many other HOF's have done the same? Get real! It happens... Fine and suspend his ass and move on. I've seen worse back before the NBA got all pussy about hand checks and tick tack fouls. Bynum was an idiot, but hes still a good player. [video=youtube;nWqv5fNeosc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWqv5fNeosc[/video] [video=youtube;X7r6vXeOfyQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7r6vXeOfyQ[/video] [video=youtube;7V8ZukXsWmk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V8ZukXsWmk&NR[/video] [video=youtube;77ZdzNuz454]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ZdzNuz454[/video] [video=youtube;BN3cIg_oAN8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN3cIg_oAN8[/video] [video=youtube;PWjRzCyxCDM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWjRzCyxCDM[/video] [video=youtube;rj3Kn_3eyyk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj3Kn_3eyyk[/video]
FWIW, game 5 when the Bulls finished off Indiana was a lot like this play by Bynum, except Indy had several players taking the cheap shots. They were getting blown out, and any time a shot went up, they were outright swinging for guys' heads and not even bothering to go for rebounds. I'm not complaining about it, the players were defeated and clearly frustrated. Just pointing out that it's not so uncommon. Bynum's hit wasn't good basketball, but the Detroit Bad Boy Pistons hit people like that all the time. Their motto was "no easy baskets (without a hard foul)."
[video=youtube;IhQyaKWsQy8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQyaKWsQy8[/video] [video=youtube;gx_kqvy9nZA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx_kqvy9nZA[/video] [video=youtube;6TKZcnkIQxY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TKZcnkIQxY[/video] [video=youtube;EjU3nvru9wA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjU3nvru9wA[/video]
There's a hard foul and then there's a dirty play. I don't care who you are, there's no excuse for a dirty play that could potentially end someone's career and undercutting a guy while he's in mid-air is unbelievably dirty and extremely dangerous. Was Andre Miller's foul on Griffin dirty? Yes, but come on... You can't possibly compare that to an intentional foul that puts someone at risk.
It was a cheap shot. However, it would have been just a hard playoff foul had he done it the first quarter.
And that's really the distinct difference. It was a cheap shot when the game (and the series) was already over.
