Do Players really deserve the choice of where they want to go?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 18 2007, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In that case, just release him. If Telfair says he doesn't want to play and wants to be traded; don't waste your time negotiating. Doesn't make much since since you would think teams would want value for everybody that leaves, but that is what a lot of GM's do.</div>Problem with that: Boston loses. If they waive him, they still have to pay him and his contract counts against their cap until it expires. They can't buy him out either... because the contract would be prorated against their cap until it expires depending on the buyout amount. The best option for them financially is to trade him.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CavsRules @ Jul 18 2007, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Tahoma">Well... I don't believe that. If Yi truly wanted to stay with the Bucks, then his agent would have nothing else to do but keep him there. Its all about the player, not about the agent. And for the topic, I don't think players can have that right to where they wanna go. Only a few players have actually had that wish come true. Such as Allen Iverson, when he told Philly he'd like to go to Denver, they made it happen. Either way, it's rare that players get their wishes to goto whatever team they want.</span></div>AI didn't flat out say he wanted to go to Denver. He gave management a list of teams, and they obliged. They were about to trade him to ATL, and he said he would report if he was dealt there but wouldn't be happy. As a sign of respect Billy King said, "Alright Allen, I won't trade you there." I get what you're saying though... I think only the elite players should have a huge say into where they are being dealt, and even then a team shouldn't be obligated to fulfill their request. It all depends on the offers...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 18 2007, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not that easy for Yi though. He's Chinese, in a majority English speaking league, with an English speaking agent. I don't know a whole lot on this story, but to be honest, Fegan could be telling Yi they have a deal in the works with the Bucks, while really, they're trying to get Yi traded. But, because Yi can't speak face to face with the organization without a translator, he may not know that. But, I could be wrong. I think Fegan is taking advantage of Yi. I remember reading an article of an interview with Yi, and he seemed excited to play in Milwaulkee.</div>Yi speaks fluent English

 

This may be their lives. But cmon....it comes with the territory of the NBA lifestyle. A lifestyle they chose, along with that they get a salary that componsates for it. I think the teams should have the ultimate say in what happens, not the players.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker @ Jul 19 2007, 04:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This may be their lives. But cmon....it comes with the territory of the NBA lifestyle. A lifestyle they chose, along with that they get a salary that componsates for it. I think the teams should have the ultimate say in what happens, not the players.</div>It is the team's 'ultimate say in it'. When it comes down to making the trade or waiving the player, it's ultimately the team's decision. A player can do all he wants to try to leave but the team has a contract keeping the player in his respective city. Now, usually what would happen in this situation is that the player would stop showing up to practices and games thus forcing the team to trade him.This is all a business, a very strange business as well.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BluffCityBlue @ Jul 19 2007, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi speaks fluent English</div>I'm not going to say that Yi can't speak English, but he can't speak English well by any means. If you saw him at draft night, he could barely respond to the questions... he was really struggling.I can't really relate that alone to the situation, but I wouldn't be suprised if he uses a translator for negotiations.

 

It's annoying when players try and dictate where they are going. They're under contract and should honor those contracts. If they don't have a no-trade or trade input clause in that contract, they should be quiet.It's especially debilitating when word leaks out as to what the player is demanding. The GM can't get fair value.Until a team says "Shut up, you're either getting traded to where we can trade you or you honor your contract and play your butt off here!" we'll continue to see this. Perhaps the Lakers are taking the right stand and will set a precedent with Kobe.I do have some compasion for a player who's put in 8+ years or so with a team and the GM/coaches are unable to build a team around a the star player. Kobe has hardly given the Lakers time to turn it around after trading Shaq away, whereas KG has given it his all to Minny.Still if a player wants out, he should go talk to the GM and owner, keep it confidential and let them facilitate a trade behind the scenes.

 

I know what you are talking about on draft night...could barely understand him(couldve been nervous btw)...but he still can carry on an English conversation very well. He has a strong accent, but he has no need for a translator. He might have one, just cause hes lazy or something....but he speaks pretty good English for a 19yr old Chinese player whos been to America on a few occasions....Invalid Video Link

 

I dont think anyone gets the fact that in a real job you dont choose where you go. So in the NBA, you shouldnt eithier unless your a free agent.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 19 2007, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think anyone gets the fact that in a real job you dont choose where you go. So in the NBA, you shouldnt eithier unless your a free agent.</div>Um, not exactly. You're free to choose any company to work for as long as they are willing to hire you... and if they decide to transfer you, they run it by you and you have input into where you will be transferred or if you are going to stay put.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jul 19 2007, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um, not exactly. You're free to choose any company to work for as long as they are willing to hire you... and if they decide to transfer you, they run it by you and you have input into where you will be transferred or if you are going to stay put.</div>No. If your under contract with a team, (or a company for that matter) you cant demand to be relocated or something like that. Like Iverson, Carter, and Garnet was going to do.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 19 2007, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No. If your under contract with a team, (or a company for that matter) you cant demand to be relocated or something like that. Like Iverson, Carter, and Garnet was going to do.</div>Actually, you can. It depends on the company... and you're not really "under contract" with them. You are free to quit at any time. If you were smart, you wouldn't until you had a job lined up, but it is still possible. Hell, you can even talk to competing firms about job opportunities when you're still working with a certain company.EDIT: And you can also put in a request to be transferred to another city... whether or not it will be fulfilled is up to the company and depends on a variety of factors. Same goes for trade demands... they can tell the GM where they want to go, but if the GM gets a better deal elsewhere, then he isn't obliged to trade the player to the specific team he wants unless they have a no-trade clause (and Kobe is the only player with it). And players hold a lot of leverage too when they have only one-year remaining on their contracts, like KG does.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 19 2007, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think anyone gets the fact that in a real job you dont choose where you go. So in the NBA, you shouldnt eithier unless your a free agent.</div>I used to think that, but let's face facts.These people aren't living in the same world you and I are. They're multi-millionaires not held to the same standards of conduct in the work place, have inflated egos and have been coveted as an potential NBA player since HS. Hewitt Packard and Wall-street have not been awaiting your graduation from HS or college now have they?League owners and GM's are dumb enough to keep paying them absurd amounts of money and can't cut the whinners because some other team is gonna scoop them up in a hearbeat convinced that they'll be able to handle the player or keep them happy.Some are nearly as bad as singer diva's and feel that they deserve everything their heart desires.To top it off, the ticket prices keep escalating and the fans are dumb enough to support said behaviour.I don't live in an NBA city so I've been to 2 games in my life as well as 2 Syracuse games.They're a treat and I wouldn't be a season ticket holder if I did live in an NBA city. It's absurd how much they get paid and more absurd how their salaries keep rising.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jul 19 2007, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Actually, you can. It depends on the company... and you're not really "under contract" with them. You are free to quit at any time. If you were smart, you wouldn't until you had a job lined up, but it is still possible. Hell, you can even talk to competing firms about job opportunities when you're still working with a certain company.EDIT: And you can also put in a request to be transferred to another city... whether or not it will be fulfilled is up to the company and depends on a variety of factors. Same goes for trade demands... they can tell the GM where they want to go, but if the GM gets a better deal elsewhere, then he isn't obliged to trade the player to the specific team he wants unless they have a no-trade clause (and Kobe is the only player with it). And players hold a lot of leverage too when they have only one-year remaining on their contracts, like KG does.</div>If you quit, you have to pay a cancellation fee or buy out the contract, just like when you buy a cell phone. You can talk to other firms and stuff, but you cant actually leave until you do it officially with a team, or company for that matter, until youve left the company on terms that agree with the contract.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Jul 19 2007, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you quit, you have to pay a cancellation fee or buy out the contract, just like when you buy a cell phone. You can talk to other firms and stuff, but you cant actually leave until you do it officially with a team, or company for that matter, until youve left the company on terms that agree with the contract.</div> I know that, but the thing is that the NBA is not your ordinary job and it isn't your ordinary business. There are way too many differences to even begin to correctly compare the two... and it's all about loyalty and dedication. If you have given 10+ years of service to your team (or company) and are a superstar (or one of their best workers), you will definitely be given some input into your trade request and some leeway in other things compared to a guy like Yi who is just entering the league, etc.And KG is in a very good situation because all he has to do is say he doesn't see a certain team being in his long term plans, and then that team's GM will know not to mortgage their future for a one year run with KG that will not amount to anything.A player can say anything he wants to his GM regarding where he wants to be traded, but ultimately it's up to the GM and the organization as to whether they will oblige and fulfull that request. They always have the right to trade them to an even shittier team if they wanted to.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 19 2007, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is the team's 'ultimate say in it'. When it comes down to making the trade or waiving the player, it's ultimately the team's decision. A player can do all he wants to try to leave but the team has a contract keeping the player in his respective city. Now, usually what would happen in this situation is that the player would stop showing up to practices and games thus forcing the team to trade him.This is all a business, a very strange business as well.</div>Well...yeah. But the question was do players deserve to dictate where they go. I am saying they don't and that getting traded to a destination you might not like it part of the NBA Lifestyle. Also, players like Kobe Bryant can decline to be traded to a team he doesn't want.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker @ Jul 19 2007, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well...yeah. But the question was do players deserve to dictate where they go. I am saying they don't and that getting traded to a destination you might not like it part of the NBA Lifestyle. Also, players like Kobe Bryant can decline to be traded to a team he doesn't want.</div>That's not true. Players can publicaly say that they do not want to go to a certain franchise and will not be happy there, thus forcing the franchise that wants to trade for him to pull out of the trade. This is what happened right before the draft in the Amare Stoudamire to the Hawks trade.I belive that trade would have brought Garnett to Pheonix.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 19 2007, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's not true. Players can publicaly say that they do not want to go to a certain franchise and will not be happy there, thus forcing the franchise that wants to trade for him to pull out of the trade. This is what happened right before the draft in the Amare Stoudamire to the Hawks trade.I belive that trade would have brought Garnett to Pheonix.</div>Alright, but I'm saying players don't DESERVE the right to do that. They deserve to have a say in it behind closed doors, but ultimately they shouldn't dictate what happens. I am not necessarily saying it can't happen.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker @ Jul 19 2007, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alright, but I'm saying players don't DESERVE the right to do that. They deserve to have a say in it behind closed doors, but ultimately they should dictate what happens. I am not necessarily saying it can't happen.</div>I was just referring to this quote:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, players like Kobe Bryant can decline to be traded to a team he doesn't want.</div>Kobe can't decline to be traded to another team. However, if he requested to Jerry Buss and Mitch Kuptchak that he would not like to go there, they would probabely stop the trade talks with that team and if they don't; Bryant could publicaly say that he doesn't want to go to the Vancouver Grizzlies (example) and the Grizzlies would probabely pull out of this deal in fear of Bryant not playing at his top level for that franchise.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 19 2007, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was just referring to this quote:Kobe can't decline to be traded to another team. However, if he requested to Jerry Buss and Mitch Kuptchak that he would not like to go there, they would probabely stop the trade talks with that team and if they don't; Bryant could publicaly say that he doesn't want to go to the Vancouver Grizzlies (example) and the Grizzlies would probabely pull out of this deal in fear of Bryant not playing at his top level for that franchise.</div>Kobe has a no-trade clause in his contract. The clause basically states that a Kobe can't be traded without his own consent. Kobe can decline any trade he wants.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker @ Jul 19 2007, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Alright, but I'm saying players don't DESERVE the right to do that. They deserve to have a say in it behind closed doors, but ultimately they shouldn't dictate what happens. I am not necessarily saying it can't happen.</div>There is a problem with that: In today's NBA (and other sports), even if a player privately asked to be traded, a person within the organization would quickly tell the local media about it, and remain anonymous in the report. I mean, AI didn't publicly demand to be traded... he went to Billy King privately and told him that if they can't build around him then it was best for both sides that he be traded... even King didn't tell the media that Iverson did that. It was the owner Ed Snider who publicly said he is going to trade AI.Kobe did publicly demand a trade as we all saw with his hissy-fits... KG hasn't, and I don't think Amare publicly said he wouldn't play in ATL.In this day and age, it is absolutely impossible for word of a superstar asking to be traded, or being shopped around by his team, to not get out into the media.