Do you believe in Heaven and Hell?

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    PapaG

    e = mc^2 is the answer to most of your questions.

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    Man sailed the seas for millennia when the best science said the earth was flat and the heavens crystal spheres and the sun revolved around the earth. Pointing at technology working as proof science is right isn't a winning argument.
     
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    why would you expect science to be able to have recreated abiogenesis by now when it presumably would have taken millions or billions of years and potentially trillions or quadrillions of steps to occur naturally? that makes no sense. even if it in fact happened naturally it's likely we will never be able to recreate it.

    we've only known about cells for 300 years. we've only been studying evolution for 150. the fact that we've learned what we have at this point is quite remarkable.
     
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    Argghhh I type too fast sometimes...

    Besides (flawed) carbon dating what evidence is there of this?
    And again since macro evolution has never been observed or proven in any way you can't really say it's a fact that we "evolved" from apes.

    Says who exactly?

    according to the evolutionists the human race has been around in our current form for the past 200,000 years, yet only learned how to read and write and leave behind evidence in the past 5,000 years. Interesting.
    why should we care what the pope says?
    There's no way you can prove this.
     
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    Because there's no evidence that abiogenesis happened or is even possible. Adding a lot of the years to the equation says nothing about whether complex lifeforms can spontaneously arise from a puddle of goo and branch off into innumerable different species and forms of life. It's funny how dead, brainless matter can apparently do a better job at creating than these brilliant scientists. kind of ironic when you think about it.

    Where did the first tree seed originate from? Where did the raw materials for the big bang come from, were they created or did they create themselves?
     
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    i don't see your point. what am i saying science is right about? i was pointing out science does not form true consensus based on political agendas. it wouldn't work at all if it did. individual scientists may be politically motivated and the media may focus on them, but that's a different issue that has nothing to do with how consensus forms.
     
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    Oh I'll listen, I have before and am willingly to now. Give me something fresh and new please, that's all I ask...
     
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    I think you're confusing me with someone else. I don't believe the biblical versions, either, and I'll still point out that there are huge holes in evolutionary theory, to the point that the origin of life is so glaring in proof, that it make macro-evolution almost unbelievable to me as well.
     
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    http://news.sky.com/home/technology/article/16075434

    New and actual scientific discoveries are blowing holes in e=mc^2. As I said, I suggest some of you read up on things a bit.

    A lot of you could learn from the part I bolded.
     
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    I disagree my friend. ;] http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/27406/
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    You of all people claiming science must be repeated should be ashamed to use an experiment that has not been recreated at any other location as an example.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    That's nice, I'm just saying that the computing power in time could give a very good description. P.S. pair production from photons creating matter has been repeatedly shown for about 30 or 40 years.
     
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    ok. no personal disrespect intended but I don't consider YEC's worth arguing with. you should realize that what you believe is disputed by virtually every one of the millions of scientist working in relevant fields today (not including only a tiny handful of ex scientists who write books, lecture, and maintain creationists websites for profit). if you aren't able to grasp the implications of that nothing else i say or any other information i direct you towards is going to matter.
     
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    Me of all people? Please explain. I've always been a huge proponent of the scientific method. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? What I posted hasn't been replicated, but is it so hard to believe that there are particles that are faster than light?

    Seems pretty close-minded to not consider that possibility.
     
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    Translation: I have no answer for your questions.

    People love to call my beliefs fantasies and fables all the time, well I think these beliefs are fantasies. I don't care what's popular or not, men have been wrong billions of times before and are wrong again. I'll put my faith in God. And if I turn out to be wrong, oh well. If you do, well that's a different story...
     
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    It could, but then, that doesn't answer what crowTrobot posted, does it?
     
  18. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I'm sorry but this is wrong. There are cultures older than 5000 years. Just because they didn't make up a written language that we still can see, doesn't mean they didn't exist before 6000 years ago.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    Right, so no particles faster than the speed of light means it's all okay with E=MC^2
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I'm just curious, why did jesus not come along for 4000 years?
     

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