<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol, okay...the point being your MVP shouldn't be playing alright in an elimination game until the last 3 minutes.....MVPs don't do that....they never have.... </div> What MVP's do is what Dirk did last night, plain and simple. <div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">those are nice numbers but overall he still didn't have a "great" game last night.......he was MIA until the last 2 minutes, and there were some questionable calls down the stretch....a win is a win, but if I'm a mavs or dirk fan there are still some things that would worry me about last nights win...</div> Shouldn't this be enough to validate a) Dream's hatred for Dirk and Dirk's greatness? Seriously, when you get 30 and 12, plus score 12 out of the last 15 points to help turn a game ending 15-0 run and that isn't a "great" game, then Dirk must be a legend. I mean I couldn't imagine what a great game for him would be. 40 and 15 with the last 20 points of regular season. Anyone that says 30 and 12 is not a good game is obviously biased out of their fucking mind.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't use that as validation of clutchness just an arbitrary series I decided to mention. Of course he wasn't great in it, but not giving him an credit was foolish. Again, you must not have seen my edited post but Dirk that year didn't produce Strong MVP numbers that season so I DON'T CARE. </div> if you really look at that series (meaning you watched it) saying that Dirk had little impact on the outcome is not foolish... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That would mean Wade is better than Dirk, not that the Heat are necessarily better had he not gotten all the calls.</div> but Wade is apart of the Heat, meaning he is on the team...with Wade on the team (which he was) the Heat were better..... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This year's series isn't done, and in the HOU series he had Steve Nash MVP numbers (hah) not "strong" mvp numbers.</div> I think it's going to be tough for Dallas to get past G. State...I mean they played really good yesterday, but still barely held on for the win.......and I'll leave the Nash comment alone (as I'm sure he'll drop another 15 assists tonight)
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shouldn't this be enough to validate a) Dream's hatred for Dirk and Dirk's greatness? Seriously, when you get 30 and 12, plus score 12 out of the last 15 points to help turn a game ending 15-0 run and that isn't a "great" game, then Dirk must be a legend. I mean I couldn't imagine what a great game for him would be. 40 and 15 with the last 20 points of regular season. Anyone that says 30 and 12 is not a good game is obviously biased out of their fucking mind.</div> he played big in the last 2 minutes, but he withered away for too long at certain stretches last night...if he does that in game 6, he might be receiving his MVP award in the living room of his house....
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> in the playoffs against the best competition in huge games???...the layup against SA is really the only thing that comes to mind.....anyone who gets to the finals and chokes it up for the entire series = soft and weak minded....we'll just have to agree to disagree, because if my life was on the line Dirk would be one of the last people I'd trust in a big game. </div> So let's see, you would rather have guys like Pat Garrity, Carlos Arroyo, Tony Battie, James Augustine, Jake Tsakalidas, Juwan Howard, John Lucas III, Mike Doleac, Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simien, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright, Royal Ivey, Primoz Brezec, Eric Williams, and Jeff McInnis shooting the shot when the game is on the line?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So let's see, you would rather have guys like Pat Garrity, Carlos Arroyo, Tony Battie, James Augustine, Jake Tsakalidas, Juwan Howard, John Lucas III, Mike Doleac, Dorrell Wright, Wayne Simien, Tyronn Lue, Lorenzen Wright, Royal Ivey, Primoz Brezec, Eric Williams, and Jeff McInnis shooting the shot when the game is on the line? </div> why sure............I think you know what I meant (your just picking now).....out of the list of superstars in the NBA Dirk would not be at the top of my list to A. build a team around B. play big throughout a big series C. play big in the final stretches of a big game
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">why sure............I think you know what I meant (your just picking now).....out of the list of superstars in the NBA Dirk would not be at the top of my list to A. build a team around B. play big throughout a big series C. play big in the final stretches of a big game</div> You said one of the last people to take in a big game, not specify them. He did C. last night and 4-0 in Game 7's prove his worth there. He did B. last season in the SA series and A. is true because they are pretty successful building around Dirk, considering they were the West's best team last year and in the regular season this year. Just on the record I trust Dirk waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than I would trust Tmac in a big game.
^^^okay I don't feel like getting into the game 7 thing again,but....anwayz....*dream anticipates thursday nights game for both the rockets and mavs*..and for the record when it comes to strictly building a team, I'd take these men 1. Wade - see the finals last year 2. Kobe - dirk couldn't have the lakers in the playoffs right now 3. Bron - dirk wouldn't have cleveland in the playoffs 4. Duncan - is proven and has 3 rings 5. Yao - is a dominant big man and makes a major impact on the game 6. Tmac -need proof look at what he did when Yao was injured...can be a scored and facilitator, unfortunately he's never had the supporting cast to get out the first round...he has it this year, so I expect it to happen 7. Nash - despite what some may think he's the get up and go of the suns 8. KG - although I've never been his biggest supporter, if he had the talent around him dirk had, he might be a champion by now
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"> yeah that must be it.....</div> It is. Why do you care how Dirk performs? Your Rockets are up 3-2 and your complaining that your rivalrys star player not playing good(which he is, 30 and 12 is good if you don't think so your stupid) You might be jealous of Dirk because hes going to win the MVP and you'd rather have Nash or Kobe win it. Okay maybe he is soft as a tissue but hes still a superstar. Okay maybe hes not the best clutch performer but neither is LeBron and I don't see any threads bashing him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You might be jealous of Dirk because hes going to win the MVP and you'd rather have Nash or Kobe win it. Okay maybe he is soft as a tissue but hes still a superstar. Okay maybe hes not the best clutch performer but neither is LeBron and I don't see any threads bashing him. </div> once again, I could care less if he gets the MVP or not, I just brought up this thread, because I have been saying for a good 3 years now that the guy is a softee...this is a basketball board, and last time I checked we are allowed to discuss players weaknesses....I've called out Bron and Tmac (although I'm a big fan of both) this season when I feel like they can do certain things better, why should Dirk get a pass???
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">if you really look at that series (meaning you watched it) saying that Dirk had little impact on the outcome is not foolish... </div> Well you yourself stated 30 points and 12 REBs last night wasn't "great" so your standards are a bit ridiculous. Saying he had "little" impact is overstating it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> but Wade is apart of the Heat, meaning he is on the team...with Wade on the team (which he was) the Heat were better.....</div> Not clear cut. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I think it's going to be tough for Dallas to get past G. State...I mean they played really good yesterday, but still barely held on for the win.......and I'll leave the Nash comment alone (as I'm sure he'll drop another 15 assists tonight)</div> Nash got the MVP last year because he "won" so many games. If he doesn't win a championship then he's not really a two/three-time MVP caliber player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well you yourself stated 30 points and 12 REBs last night wasn't "great" so your standards are a bit ridiculous. Saying he had "little" impact is overstating it.</div> not really...."overall" he wasn't great throughout the majority of the game last night.....and his impact wasn't that major in that series (that I doubt you watched) <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Not clear cut. </div> what do you mean...they won in 6 games....they beat them...Wade,Shaq,Posey,Haslem,Zo,Williams,Payton,Walker,etc. as a whole out performed the Mavs and won....you're nitpicking....that's like saying the bulls weren't clear cut winners of some of their titles, because they struggled to beat some of their opponents.....winning a title is not easy and most of the time there will be close games....but the team who pulls it out is "the better team" <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nash got the MVP last year because he "won" so many games. If he doesn't win a championship then he's not really a two/three-time MVP caliber player. </div> I agree...but then again I think he's going to win a title (or two, or 3).....Phoenix is young talented and they'll get a very good draft pick this offseason...
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">not really...."overall" he wasn't great throughout the majority of the game last night.....and his impact wasn't that major in that series (that I doubt you watched)</div> Are we going to continue to argue over semantics? I didn't say he was a major impact in that series. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> what do you mean...they won in 6 games....they beat them...Wade,Shaq,Posey,Haslem,Zo,Williams,Payton,Walker,etc. as a whole out performed the Mavs and won....you're nitpicking....that's like saying the bulls weren't clear cut winners of some of their titles, because they struggled to beat some of their opponents.....winning a title is not easy and most of the time there will be close games....but the team who pulls it out is "the better team"</div> They wouldn't have won Game Five and Six without ridiculous calls. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I agree...but then again I think he's going to win a title (or two, or 3).....Phoenix is young talented and they'll get a very good draft pick this offseason...</div> Nash isn't young enough to win three titles. Maybe one this year; though he has to get through a real Multiple MVP winner to do it (Timmeh).
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are we going to continue to argue over semantics? I didn't say he was the biggest impact in that series.</div> yes, but I did say his impact was small...there were a lot of times where he wasn't even noticable on the court....I watched the series...you didn't <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They didn't really win Game Five and Six without ridiculous calls.</div> the bulls didn't win game 6 in '98 without ridiculous calls (ron harpers shot, Howard Eisleys shot, Jordans push off) the lakers didn't win game 6 of the WCF in '02 without ridiculous calls in the 4th quarter (20 some odd freethrows) you act like bad calls started in the finals last year....when you're up 2-0 and lead by double digits with 5 minutes in game 3, you need to blame yourself and not the officials
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yes, but I did say his impact was small...there were a lot of times where he wasn't even noticable on the court....I watched the series...you didn't </div> We're going to trust you to be unbiased with all opinions on Dirk. Yeah right.
lol, I think puss read this thread yesterday and decided to show up just to make me rock this sig...I'm changing it...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We're going to trust you to be unbiased with all opinions on Dirk. Yeah right. </div> look at the stats, articles, and other fans who watched that series...
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yes, but I did say his impact was small...there were a lot of times where he wasn't even noticable on the court....I watched the series...you didn't</div> Uh, I saw the series too fellow, explain to me what I've stated about Dirk in that series that isn't true? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> the bulls didn't win game 6 in '98 without ridiculous calls (ron harpers shot, Howard Eisleys shot, Jordans push off)</div> That's funny, so? Jordan was at the end of his career, I wouldn't blame him if the Bulls lost Game Six, they would at least have had Game Seven. The Heat stole two games in the Finals. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> the lakers didn't win game 6 of the WCF in '02 without ridiculous calls in the 4th quarter (20 some odd freethrows)</div> 27 FTs in the fourth Quarter. Yeah I've stated they STOLE A CHAMPIONSHIP in the past. I'm impartial, you're not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> you act like bad calls started in the finals last year....when you're up 2-0 and lead by double digits with 5 minutes in game 3, you need to blame yourself and not the officials</div> I don't care if they didn't start in the finals last year. The Heat still needed radical calls to get the series. <div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">look at the stats, articles, and other fans who watched that series...</div> LOL man the people you argue with have been watching these series as well. There is also plenty of evidence to suggest you are wrong about Dirk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't care if they didn't start in the finals last year, the Mavs were better. The Heat still needed radical calls to get the series</div> whatever...Dirk choked and that's the bottom line (and he'll choke again, again, and again to validate my argument, so I'm not sweating it)...whenever you start blaming officials usually you need to look in the mirror at what you're doing, because chances are you aren't doing enough.
