Donald Trump: I've got my birth certificate, where President Barack Obama's?

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  1. Entity

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    I'm glad Trump joined the birther movement. There's nothing like a "credible personality" to carry your movement further. In one direction anyway.
     
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    It makes one wonder why Obama won't release his long form BC, though. He's spent a few million dollars contesting it in court. Some twins born the same day, at the same hospital, as Obama release theirs. Seems like an easy enough thing to do. I don't believe a word the guy says, anyhow, so it really doesn't matter to me if he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or Mars. I just think he's a terrible President and a very petty and small man.
     
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    One question. If producing his birth certificate is a non-issue, why has Obama spent over $1 million trying to keep it hidden? What is he trying to hide? That's the question that all you moon-bat liberals keep ignoring.

    Check out Chris Matthews on this issue. He's a big Obama supporter, but even he has asked the president to just produce his birth certificate.
     
  4. MARIS61

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    The difference between the two is Puerto Rico wants to be a state, while Hawaii does not.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Indeed, he's the sort of small, petty man who would spend time worrying about small, petty issues like someone else's birth certificate.

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    I rather doubt he has spent $1 million, but if you have any evidence to that effect, let's see it. And no, unsupported assertions from other moon-bat conservatives that he spent $1 million don't count.

    Evidence, let's see it.

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    No problem. Here you go, my friend.

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114202

    The above article provides copies of billing records to the law firm of Perkins Coie, as well as a letter from Robert Bauer asking that a request for Obama's birth certificate be denied. This article appeared in 2009, so one can only imagine what Obama's legal tab is now.
     
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    The article says:
    The $1.7M was for legal expenses (to get elected) incurred during the election and paid a few months after it. Another $0.9M was paid before the election. One lawyer in the firm also represented Obama in the small matter of his birth certificate. (That covered a tiny part of the $1.7M, probably 200 dollars to write a threatening letter or something.)
     
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    You obviously haven't been following this story. There have been at least 12 lawsuits demanding that Obama provide his birth certificate, and each of those suits required legal expenses on the part of Obama. He has a whole legal team devoted to this issue, because he knows how important it is.
     
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    I'm sure they did, however because the suits are frivolous, the legal expenses are probably quite low. As jlprk pointed out, you are assigning his entire legal expenses to this one issue, incorrectly.

    Again, where is the evidence that he has 'a whole legal team devoted to this issue'? Even your own link could only come up with one letter - which is probably about $500 of legal expenses.

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    As I originally said, Obama has spent over $1 million in legal fees to defend himself against the "birth certificate" suits. This is a pretty reasonable figure, considering that at least 12 suits have been brought on this subject, each incurring its own costs. And since the article I quoted is from 2009, it's quite reasonable to assume that the total fees paid to Perkins Coie have gone up substantially.

    From the article I quoted:

    "Lawyers" (plural) suggests that he has more than one working on this issue, wouldn't you agree?

    But let's go back to the original question, which you have ignored:

    "If producing his birth certificate is a non-issue, why has Obama spent over $1 million trying to keep it hidden? What is he trying to hide?"

    Ignoring the costs involved, for the moment, why is Obama fighting this at all? Why doesn't he just produce his birth certificate and be done with it? That's what Chris Matthews has suggested he do.
     
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    Why would Obama bother to fight these lawsuits, frivolous or otherwise? It only feeds the speculation. If he loses one of these lawsuits, all he has to do is produce the information he's already provided on his www site.
     
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    Yes, you originally said that. Well, not so originally, but you did repeat it. And now you've repeated it again. But you don't have any factual basis, you just want to believe it.

    You don't know the details of the suits or how they were handled, so what is your basis for assigning a dollar figure?

    No it's not. It's quite reasonable to assume that none of the suits have gone anywhere at all since that time. If any of the suits actually had any legal traction, it would be big news. It isn't.

    I think you are reaching so far you are about to topple over. But don't worry, maybe Obama will get an illicit blowjob, and then you'll have him nailed.

    Why won't you stop beating your wife?

    Why don't you just stop beating your wife?

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    What credible source says he's fighting these lawsuits? Sending 'go away or you will pay' letters is the standard response to frivolous lawsuits.

    As for feeding the speculation, why should he even care? If anything it helps him by pointing out what utter loons the opposition are.

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    Hardly. The longer this issue drags on, the more doubts it raises in people's minds. The real way to show that the opposition are "utter loons" is to provide the document proving his U.S. birth--which the opposition says doesn't exist.
     
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    The cases are going to court and judges are ruling on them. He is defending the cases, not sending out letters.

    I just find it curious. He's got nothing to lose, after all. He may have some political gain to make the birthers look like fools.
     
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    Not really. There have been 74 cases. Obama has defended in 3 of those. Two of the three, the plaintiffs were ordered to pay the legal fees. So at most he's paid to defend one court case (the most well-known case, Berg vs Obama).

    So far, 73 of the 74 lawsuits have been rejected. One is pending.

    A wealth of details about the cases is here.

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    The Clintons had an old trick they used to pull once in awhile. When a negative story was about to break on Bill, they would put out an even worse story--and when that story was proven false, the real story would look a lot less important by comparison.

    If Obama does in fact have a valid long-form U.S. birth certificate, perhaps he's going to release it right before the 2012 election to give himself a big boost in the polls--and thus make all of his critics look foolish. It seems too Machiavellian to be true, but who knows?
     
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    I think Obama would rather have the right talking about his birth certificate than the size of government or the economy.

    The only people who care about the whole birth certificate thing aren't voting for him anyway. We learned that in 2008. So let them stay distracted.

    If we're playing the Lakers and Ron Artest decides to announce right before the game that Greg Oden is a Klingon, I'm perfectly happy to have Oden not try to clear the issue up. It makes no difference to the Blazers game plan, and has the outside chance of being a distraction to the opponent.
     
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    I believe you have to represent yourself in lawsuits... did he ever lose a suit? No... of course not.

    And as for why he doesn't just produce it... it would do NOTHING to stop people from doubting. It isn't a good idea to argue with crazy people. Some people are going to believe we didn't go to the moon and our own government blew up the towers regardless of how many facts are produced.

    http://xkcd.com/258/
     

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