Donald Trump: I've got my birth certificate, where President Barack Obama's?

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  1. maxiep

    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    If you're going to run for President, IMO you forfeit much of your right to privacy. Frankly, I think your life should be an open book. I would see nothing wrong with having to agree to an FBI investigation similar to a security clearance procedure at an intelligence agency. That means birth certificate, medical records, anything ever published, transcripts from all schools available, interviews with anyone who has ever known them, etc.

    The American people have the right to know exactly who they're electing. We've left the job up to the Fourth Estate, but they've shown themselves unwilling to do the job.
     
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    Those things aren't released to the public when someone needing a security clearance is investigated. I agree that Obama should have to provide whatever information is legally determined to be necessary to the relevant authorities. It doesn't have to be provided to any nutcase in the public though.
     
  3. Paxil

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    I thought sitting presidents were immune from lawsuits to keep people from trying to tie up all his time after being elected. If congress thinks he did something wrong they start impeachment and he has to answer to them right?
     
  4. maxiep

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    I didn't state my point clearly. I meant that a full background investigation be done on that person and then all reasonable information gets released. For example, the items Shooter listed.
     
  5. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Nope. Paula Jones' lawsuit against Clinton, and Nixon Watergate tapes are two obvious examples.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Absolutely. How can we determine if he's fit to be president if we can't examine his kindergarten records???

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  7. Paxil

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    I stand corrected.

    Just out of curiousity... why does where he was born mean anything? All he has to be is a us born citizen... not that he was *born* in the US. If one of his parents was a US citizen that would do it wouldn't it?
     
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    Not that you matter, but why do you hate the Constitution so much?
     
  9. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Article II Section 1

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

    "Natural born Citizen" means "born within the jurisdiction of the USA to parents who are US citizens."

    It was even questioned whether McCain was eligible, since he was born at a Naval Air Station in Panama, though it is pretty certain he does qualify.

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html
     
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    He also shouldn't HAVE to release something that no other person would be asked to do.
     
  11. Paxil

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    That document states
    Seriously... if my wife and I are on vacaction in Vancouver BC and she gives birth... should the child be exempted from running for president? That seems utterly stupid.
     
  12. maxiep

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    by "no other person", do you mean John McCain? :dunno:
     
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    The law is designed to assure the president has america's interest as first priority. There are a few politicians who can't run for president because of this, Arnold Schwarzenegger being one and Jennifer Granholm (former governor of Michigan) being another.

    Granholm was born in Vancouver.
     
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    Arnold was *not* a Natural born US citizen... not because of where he was phsically born... but because his parents were not US Citizens. McCain wasn't born in US , but there is no question in my mind that is was a Natural Born US Citizen anyway... both his parents were... they just happened to be stationed overseas in the US Military.
     
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    It is literally debatable whether a guy like Arnold should be eligible to run. I'm sure there are lots of www pages about it.

    As it stands, the constitutional requirements and the laws are what they are. An amendment to the constitution would be required to change it.
    McCain raises two issues. That the requirement does matter, hence the scrutiny Obama has received as well. And that an overseas military installation likely qualifies as territory under US jurisdiction.
     
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    Classic. You pick one item off the list and make fun of it, just for cheap laughs. Meanwhile, you ignore the larger issue at hand.

    This is why you and other lefties can't be taken seriously. You're circling the wagons around Obama on an issue that you'd be attacking Bush for, if he were still in the Oval Office.
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree with Shooter's point. The electorate has the right to know everything about the person who wants to run for President; the job is too important to leave to an unknown entity. If someone doesn't want to reveal that information, then they don't have to run.

    Would the country have been better off knowing that John Kennedy was addicted to pain killers and had an affair with an East German spy? What about Ronald Reagan suffering from Alzheimer's in his later years in office? Or Woodrow Wilson rendered incapable through strokes of fulfilling his office? I think we would have been. I couldn't give two shits about their desire for privacy. You give that up to become President.

    In regards to kindergarten records, I don't care whether or not they got gold stars or if they had clean underwear, I would simply like to know where they went and what their teachers thought about the youngster and his or her parents/guardians.
     
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    Obama has the most mysterious past of anybody who has ever held the office of President. There are many, many questions about this guy, and yet he keeps stonewalling everybody who tries to find out more.
     
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    What if it's personal? Painful? I've seen some African American newborns come out of mom pretty pink. His birth certificate could list unknown or someone else as the father, his race could be listed as white, maybe his father wouldn't sign it? Maybe there are reasons besides if he was born in Hawaii as to why he doesn't want things public.

    And I'm not excusing it or explaining it away. Just saying that there could be other reasons why he wants this to stay as private as possible that people haven't considered.
     
  20. mook

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    You know, he does have two autobiographies, one of which was written before he really thought he had any chance of one day becoming president. I mean, his first one he talks about smoking pot, racism, etc. He kind of come off as a loser in some ways in that book to me. It's not your typical self-congratulatory political screed. I thought it seemed like a pretty honest depiction of his childhood.

    What did you think when you read it? (I'm assuming you read it since you are so curious about him.)
     

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