Grow up for once Jose, nobody here thinks you are funny. I myself was a Nate fan when he played for Washington in college, and even I think Dre got robbed. I am a 76ers fan to, but I still support Nate Ron, and my honest opinion is that he did not deserve to win the dunk contest that night. I'm not hating Nate it wasn't his fault he won, the judges one it for him and thats was really makes me mad about the whole thing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, I really don't understand why you would say black basketball players, as opposed to basketball players in general. Sounded like you were saying that just for the sake of being controversial. You have the right to your own opinion on the dunk contest, but try not to bring race into the issue.</div> In response to another poster's reaction to my comment - no, I am not black (although I was born into a half-black family and attend a school that is almost 40% black). I was rediscent to even bring up that fact, and I realize that it was extremely unfair to everyone who dared to read down that far into my rant. I take back the fact that I said it at an unappropriate time, but sadly, it's true. I stated an observation, and denying their race would be unjust to every human being - but the funny thing is, had they been white basketball players I might not have brought race into it whatsoever. But again, that's neither here nor there (I suggest that if you want to discuss more with me on this issue, I'll have no problem chatting with you through PM or AIM; we both know that it's not appropriate for this site, so hopefully we can discuss things in a mature, candid fasion with open eyes). For the sake of being unfunny, I sincerely apologize for my comments. Getting caught up in the heat of the subject brought out the worst in me, and I completely regret what I said.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">Grow up for once Jose, nobody here thinks you are funny. I myself was a Nate fan when he played for Washington in college, and even I think Dre got robbed. I am a 76ers fan to, but I still support Nate Ron, and my honest opinion is that he did not deserve to win the dunk contest that night. I'm not hating Nate it wasn't his fault he won, the judges one it for him and thats was really makes me mad about the whole thing.</div> If you can't present a logical statement or reason why Iggy Dala deserve to win it in the dunk off, then fall back. If you're new to dunking, theres no need to complain, be mad, and or cry about it. Like I said, READ The first dunk all the judges gave Nate a 9, and Kenny Smith who's the biggest Nate supporter gave Nate an 8. Even in the last part, in the dunk off, Kenny Smirth was trying to tie the scorer for Iggy Dala, Kenny Smith tried to give Dala the highest score possible. Thats sad when you need the judges to struggle for you to get into a 2nd dunk off. Nate had the superior preformance, its time for you to really let it go, crown Nate and as champ, and stop this trolling of "Andre got robbed" Andre was assisted welfare the whole contest, I don't want to hear non-logical post, cause I want to read something thats worth while understanding not something like "waaah waah Andre was rob, Nate is great, but Andre is the real champ" Stop.
^ Yeah but do you really think Nate should got high scores like that after trying all those damn attempts. Geez, one of the reasons he got high scores is because people probably felt bad for him. Which is wrong in competition.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting N4S:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but do you really think Nate should got high scores like that after trying all those damn attempts.</div> But they said at the start of the contest that shot attempts wouldn't count against scores. I know it's hard to accept and very hard to see as fair, but rules are rules. It's really a hard situation to judge because no matter what, if a player takes all those attempts he's bound to get a lower score anyway (what I'm saying is it's hard to tell a judge to base his decision on the final - and only the final - dunk; Kenny Smith, for example, might give T-Mac a 10 instead of an 8 if he hadn't taken so many attempts, regardless of what the rules were). Ask yourself this: if Nate would have hit that through-the-legs spectacle that seemed impossible for a guy his size to throw down on the first attempt, it would have gotten a perfect score, wouldn't it've? No question.
Oh yeah Kenny was trying to help Dre. Thats why people boo'ed the decision at the end right? You keep running your mouth about logical statements when you haven't made one yourself, you are a joke! I've posted an ESPN article that explains what I think. Apparently other people including professional sports writers agree with 76ers fans. If your new to dunking you'd realize that it doesn't take a good dunker 14 times to make his damn dunks. No dunk champion in history has ever done something close to as bad as that! Don't give me that its hard for someone as short as Nate excuse either! Spudd didn't miss his dunks 14 times did he? Nique' didn't. Mike didn't. Dr.J didn't. VC didn't. If Nate was ready he would have made his dunks, his stuff wasn't even effective to me because he took so long to do his dunks. Kenny Smith was rooting for the lil man to win the whole time, and watch the videos as he looks around to change the scores. ESPN said it was obvious how the judges looked at each other as they put together their scores. I'm done with you because you aren't even objective. I realize Nate had some good dunks, and hey he won. But you fail to realize how much help he had, and how bad it looked when he kept missing his dunks. You can't see that because you don't want to see it, and that will never change with a biased Knicks fan like yourself. Was that logical for you Mr.Jose, sir?
Jesus, I thought you were talking to me that whole time (I was like - "woah woah woah, I thought I presented a pretty good argument!").
Since I don't remember Anderson's score being that low: If you can provide some rock-solid evidence for that (a link, not an image), I'll concede and provide a paragraph on how Nate Robinson only won because the judges felt bad/were pulling for him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bravest:</div><div class="quote_post">In response to another poster's reaction to my comment - no, I am not black (although I was born into a half-black family and attend a school that is almost 40% black). I was rediscent to even bring up that fact, and I realize that it was extremely unfair to everyone who dared to read down that far into my rant. I take back the fact that I said it at an unappropriate time, but sadly, it's true. I stated an observation, and denying their race would be unjust to every human being - but the funny thing is, had they been white basketball players I might not have brought race into it whatsoever. But again, that's neither here nor there (I suggest that if you want to discuss more with me on this issue, I'll have no problem chatting with you through PM or AIM; we both know that it's not appropriate for this site, so hopefully we can discuss things in a mature, candid fasion with open eyes). For the sake of being unfunny, I sincerely apologize for my comments. Getting caught up in the heat of the subject brought out the worst in me, and I completely regret what I said.</div> Cool no offense taken.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bravest:</div><div class="quote_post">For the sake of being unfunny, I sincerely apologize for my comments. Getting caught up in the heat of the subject brought out the worst in me, and I completely regret what I said.</div> Hey no problem. No offense taken. It just ruins the discussion when race is brought in and shifts the focus from basketball. Your point was valid, and really shouldn't have been clouded by those comments.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">If you can't present a logical statement or reason why Iggy Dala deserve to win it in the dunk off, then fall back. If you're new to dunking, theres no need to complain, be mad, and or cry about it. Like I said, READ The first dunk all the judges gave Nate a 9, and Kenny Smith who's the biggest Nate supporter gave Nate an 8. Even in the last part, in the dunk off, Kenny Smirth was trying to tie the scorer for Iggy Dala, Kenny Smith tried to give Dala the highest score possible. Thats sad when you need the judges to struggle for you to get into a 2nd dunk off. Nate had the superior preformance, its time for you to really let it go, crown Nate and as champ, and stop this trolling of "Andre got robbed" Andre was assisted welfare the whole contest, I don't want to hear non-logical post, cause I want to read something thats worth while understanding not something like "waaah waah Andre was rob, Nate is great, but Andre is the real champ" Stop.</div> Wow man, thank you for not responding to my previous post... AGAIN. I guess you have no argument, once again, and whatever "argument" you have presented thus far has contradicted itself in multiple areas. And, um, did you even watch the dunk contest? Kenny Smith was assisting Iguodala the entire contest? Wow... that's the first time I've heard that! Now, if you said Moses Malone was biased towards Iguodala, I'd give you that, but Kenny Smith? So, he lowered his score on Iguodala's final dunk in "regulation" from a 9 to an 8, in order to help Iguodala? That's a real logical assessment of things, isn't it? I suggest you WATCH the dunk contest before commenting. And, if you don't believe me, I have posted video footage that already supports my claim on this subject... go take a look at it, or just ignore it like you have done to some of my previous posts. So, believing that your player was "robbed" is trolling? So we are not allowed to disagree with your opinion, oh almighty one? I'm sorry that my signature offends you, but if you don't like it, then don't look at it. We all have the right to voice our own opinions, it's a free country, and it is what a message board is all about. If we are not allowed to discuss our opinions, then why even have a message board? You want to read a logical argument? Well, then why don't you read my previous post and actually respond? It's funny how you pick and choose which arguments to respond to of mine, and which not to. You still have not responded to something I brought up a long time ago. And, as long as you continue to ignore it, I'll continue to post it at the end of each of my posts until you decide to respond to it: <font color="red">And, another thing you have refused to comment about is this: In a previous thread you stated that if Iguodala lost by 1 you would agree that he was robbed. Now, after I informed you that he did lose by 1, you did not acknowledge that, and went back on your previous statement by continuing to assert that he was not robbed. Now which one is it? Make up your mind... will you not accept your original statement at this point?</font> Now, once again, I'm sorry that supporting our player offends you, and if you can't take it, then by all means leave the discussion. Nobody is forcing you to be hear. The mere fact that you continue to respond to our posts means that you cannot fathom another person believing that your beloved Nate Robinson did not deserve to win the contest. And of all people, you talking about "logical" statements strikes me as very, very ironic, considering almost everything you have said seems to contradict itself in one way or another. But, then again, you wouldn't realize that because you choose not to read and respond to half my posts anyway. Like I said before: At the end of the day, Nate Robinson is the dunk "champion." Some, including you, believe he deserved it. Most people, including me, do not. It's as simple as that. If you wish to believe he deserved it, by all means go right ahead, because you are entitled to your own opinion just like everybody else. Stop. I probably shouldn't have even responded to this guy's posts, because he probably won't even respond to this one... which again is not surprising.
If one of the judges didn't change his score and gave Iggy a 9 instead of 10 he initially held up, there would be less controvery. I think it was Rudy who initially gave Iggy a 10 and put it down to give him a 9. Both dunkers put on a great show until we had to wait for Nate like 5 mins to actually dunk that not-so-great dunk. But People Stop Knicks finally won something
I don't see a point in this. The fact of the matter is, regardless of whether he got robbed or not, Iguodala lost and Nate won. Nothing will change that fact and attacking one another definitely won't change it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see a point in this. The fact of the matter is, regardless of whether he got robbed or not, Iguodala lost and Nate won. Nothing will change that fact and attacking one another definitely won't change it.</div> I agree, but Mr. j0se feels a need to continue to assert Nate dominated Iguodala. We have all said that Nate won, and whether he truly deserved to win or not is just a matter of opinion. Everybody has their own opinion, and nobody can change that. However, he feels the need to try and change all of our opinions, because he seems to be offended by our opinion, for whatever reason.
Now that the 2nd half of the NBA season has finally started, I think its about time that this argument died down. There's no reason to bicker endlessly about such a trivial competition when there's real NBA events happening out there. As BigMo763 and MrJ already said, the competition is done with. People will have their opinions over it, but it seems unlikely that anybody is going to budge on the issue.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">look man both did great iggy got next year, get off nate's dick</div> He said he might not even do it next year. I wouldn't blame him, it would be hard to dethrone Nate with all those supporters.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigMo763:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow man, thank you for not responding to my previous post... AGAIN. I guess you have no argument, once again, and whatever "argument" you have presented thus far has contradicted itself in multiple areas. And, um, did you even watch the dunk contest? Kenny Smith was assisting Iguodala the entire contest? Wow... that's the first time I've heard that! Now, if you said Moses Malone was biased towards Iguodala, I'd give you that, but Kenny Smith? So, he lowered his score on Iguodala's final dunk in "regulation" from a 9 to an 8, in order to help Iguodala? That's a real logical assessment of things, isn't it? I suggest you WATCH the dunk contest before commenting. And, if you don't believe me, I have posted video footage that already supports my claim on this subject... go take a look at it, or just ignore it like you have done to some of my previous posts. So, believing that your player was "robbed" is trolling? So we are not allowed to disagree with your opinion, oh almighty one? I'm sorry that my signature offends you, but if you don't like it, then don't look at it. We all have the right to voice our own opinions, it's a free country, and it is what a message board is all about. If we are not allowed to discuss our opinions, then why even have a message board? You want to read a logical argument? Well, then why don't you read my previous post and actually respond? It's funny how you pick and choose which arguments to respond to of mine, and which not to. You still have not responded to something I brought up a long time ago. And, as long as you continue to ignore it, I'll continue to post it at the end of each of my posts until you decide to respond to it: <font color="red">And, another thing you have refused to comment about is this: In a previous thread you stated that if Iguodala lost by 1 you would agree that he was robbed. Now, after I informed you that he did lose by 1, you did not acknowledge that, and went back on your previous statement by continuing to assert that he was not robbed. Now which one is it? Make up your mind... will you not accept your original statement at this point?</font> Now, once again, I'm sorry that supporting our player offends you, and if you can't take it, then by all means leave the discussion. Nobody is forcing you to be hear. The mere fact that you continue to respond to our posts means that you cannot fathom another person believing that your beloved Nate Robinson did not deserve to win the contest. And of all people, you talking about "logical" statements strikes me as very, very ironic, considering almost everything you have said seems to contradict itself in one way or another. But, then again, you wouldn't realize that because you choose not to read and respond to half my posts anyway. Like I said before: At the end of the day, Nate Robinson is the dunk "champion." Some, including you, believe he deserved it. Most people, including me, do not. It's as simple as that. If you wish to believe he deserved it, by all means go right ahead, because you are entitled to your own opinion just like everybody else. Stop. I probably shouldn't have even responded to this guy's posts, because he probably won't even respond to this one... which again is not surprising. </div> You've said the same thing in your other post, and you have yet to acknowledge my logcial facts Get off of Andre's nuts, he didn't came hard in the end, his last dunk wasn't that serious like the ones he had before. Iggy Dala needed two points, one to tie it, and one to beat Nate to win the contest. Watch the end of the contest, Smith was looking desperately to give his highest score for Iggy Dala, there was alot of symthony, from the beginning to the end. When I ask for a logical agrument, you are totally unable to present to me how you can prove that Kenny Smith was giving Nate welfare through the scores. Kenny Smith vocally was behind Nate, but his judging was unbias completely. How can you ignore when Smith gave Nate an 8 and the other judges gave him a 9? Did you forget that?
