Right ... the overall number 6 and 2 picks in that draft, there is a slim chance to none of the Blazers being able to move into the upper end of the draft without giving up some substantial rotation player(s), and anybody outside of that top ten becomes increasingly unlikely to be an impact player in the NBA. I'm not morally opposed to moving up and taking a flier on a guy like Blair -- assuming that's even possible, and the asking price isn't too steep -- but if I had to choose between adding an established impact player at the wing (or possibly even at point guard) vs. trying to fill out the roster with more rookies I'd rather go with the former than the latter.
I'm currently hoping he's the answer at backup power forward next year. Either way, Portland will need another decent big man when Przybilla stops being effective.
Well considering the unlikeliness that we'll be adding an impact player, I'm fairly certain will be going with the former. We don't have to move up, my point was that there is always 1 or 2 surprises in every draft. This draft class is not as weak as that one.
First of all - it might have to be done in 2 different trades - since the TE can not be combined with a player. But - given that the Wiz are in real big problem financially (and over the lux-tax) and do not want to break their core of Gilbert/Jamison/Butler - what other option do they have? They need to cut salary - and Portland is in a great position to offer them tons of money relief when all they lose is a small contract and a pick swap. Seems like a very reasonable way to get some of their $150m+ investment last summer on Jamison+Gilbert back... And the Bucks should be in full-rebuild mode - but since they could not move R-Jeff and want to rebuild around Sessions + CV - they need to shed money fast. Again - what other assets do they have they can move quickly and still have some sort of success as they re-build? I think you underestimate the power of $10-15m in cold, hard cash in this economy...
It can be, it just can't be combined to match the salary of a single player. Say Washington drafts Ricky Rubio (plugging in the player I want most, even though he's not likely to be in this draft). Portland could trade some player plus some of their cap space for a Washington dead-weight contract and, in the same deal, include the TE and Rubio (if Rubio's cap hit is $3 million or less), essentially swapping the TE for Rubio.
For Washington, trade Caron....obviously. Lots of teams are going after him, if they want to dump him, they can. As for the Bucks, move Bogut. If they are rebuilding, they should start with young prospects, hence, picks. The thing about draft picks is that they are cheap cheap talent. When has a high lotto pick ever changed hands without at least a good talent coming back on the other end? Don't cite "economic times", I believe that as much as I believe that MIXUM is an optimist. Regardless of how crappy a team's economic situation is, a good young cheap talent should be the LAST to move. If no one wants to take their stars, then they will say "Shit" but move right along. That's only my opinion of course. BTW, wouldn't they lose more revenue from angry fans that are pissed off at the organization for trading away a top notch (or top 3 in WAS case) prospect?
plus these cheap rookies might be filling several holes on the bench if a consolidation sort of trade goes through. Maybe they make a lopsided financial trade and have to release Travis and/or Blake to pull off the deal? I like the idea of KP having a lot of options. I'm sure his staff will explore them all. STOMP
This is a little different the Bayless because we don't have anybody at the backup PFD right now that is any good. I don't know to much about Blair and he seems a little short but looks like a great rebounder. I think if we got a high basketball IQ banger PF in the draft he would get minutes from Frye and some of Outlaw's minutes. If we trade Outlaw I would think a backup banger/rebounder/defensive PF is what we need in FA or the draft. I will have to watch Blair and see how he looks. I would think with our 1st and all those 2nd round picks we would be able to move up to get Blair unless he is in the top 10 picks and even then the way teams might be hurting this summer we possible could trade up even higher then 11.
Of course - but that will be a silly move since they think they can contend with Caron+Jamison+Arenas - so it does not apply with that premise. First - they have to find someone that can absorb his big contract for expiring, second - this just sets them back. What they would want to do is build on the Sessions+CV+Bogut - they are all young and have potential - but they are stuck with R-Jeff/Redd. Again - if they just want to blow the whole thing over - maybe - but if they are not injured - they can actually go somewhere in the eastern conference as Sessions/CV/Bogut gain experience - so the cheapest and easiest way to do it - would be to get rid of the pick/small bad contract. 2006 - Boston sending the #7 pick for Bassy and 2 questionable big men were traded for money (The Blazers paid an extra year of salary on Raef). 2004 - PHX sending the #6 pick to Chicago. First - I will cite economic times because when your owner loses tons of money in the market it is a big incentive - hiding your head in the sand and pretending it did not happen does not change the fact that it did - all it does is fills your ears with sand... As for angry fans - the fans will be there if the team wins. If they believe that a healthy team with their big 3 + the center that was wounded this year is contending (and it seems that they do given the money they gave them and the public statements they made) - and it seems reasonable to expect that they do not think they will have a problem selling tickets.
Caron, Jamison, Arenas has not worked. If they TRULY want to contend, they will keep all three, along with the draft pick, which would likely be top 3, and a good contributor. Well, you are assuming they want to rebuild. I counted out Milwaukee once Redd went down, but now they are winning even more games and are in the thick of the playoff race. If they do indeed make the playoffs, I can see them not moving anyone at all, and signing Sessions to the MLE, and CV for cheap as well since they aren't many teams in the league that can offer big money. (And none that would want CV anyways) I do think they will try their hardest to move Redd or Jefferson, and if nothing pans out, I think the pick will be used in this situation to make someone take Redd/RJ. Bassy still had a fair amount of potential at that point. He was still a lottery pick, and was incoming talent to offset some of the loss of losing a top pick. I would imagine that we would have to do something similar, like adding Batum/Bayless/Rudy. PHX is just dumb. They didn't even get good cash relief. Yes, but cheap young talent is always the last to go. ALWAYS. The team won't win if you giving up their best assets.
The only time these 3 were healthy - they were actually very good. It is just that they are not very often all healthy at the same time. Again - I am just going by what they have done with their money and public statements. I am guessing that if they wanted to save money and move Caron - they had a great chance with the Raef contract/insurance - and did not - so it tells you they are not moving him. Good luck moving Arenas - as close to impossible as there is now - and then there is the question - do they move Jamison somehow, pay the luxury tax (because no-one under the cap will take him - so they have to take similar salary for at least one year) or are they really hurting for money. The indication seems to be that they are hurting for money. The fact that they did not do the Butler for Raef tells you they still think they can go on with that group...
I am on the DeJuan Blair bandwagon as well..trade up with our multiple 2nds and current 1st to get it done!
They were 45-37 and got sweeped in the second round. Hardly "contender" status. And again, if they want to save money (which the reports are saying they DON'T, they want to keep the core intact, and keep the pick as well, and hope to compete next year), they will move Caron. I would imagine that KP inquired about Butler and the Wiz demanded 2-3 of our young prospects along with Raef and KP said no. So, yeah, moving any of the big 3 makes them non-competitors, but if they want to save money, Butler can easily be moved. I don't get where this "hurting for money" thing is coming from. Because they didn't accept Raef alone for Caron?
Actually - this is not the year I am talking about - the next year or one after they were the 1st or 2nd in the east until around all-star weekend and then Gilbert went down and the rest of the year was a crap. Butler was not there in the 45-37 year. They will hurt for money if they go over the lux-tax - and that will happen if they are getting a high-price rookie. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=PERDiem-090223 The interesting bits from this: So something like a pick swap + TE for a small contract and another deal where they get rid of Songalia for example for a Frye + ? would help them immensely. Again - a likely target - and if it does not work - we can always go hard after Sessions - so KP can offer them a deal that includes the pick + Alexander for a TE or he will do his best to make Session bolt or come to them as expensive as possible...
Guess I should have made it a poll. Well depending on the talent in the draft and the economy, we may be able to buy ourselves into the lottery at a cheap price. I was just thinking that the backup PF position is something to go after...seems like a lot of people like Blair for that, but we'd certainly have to move up into the mid-lottery to get him, and he is short (though strong) for a PF in the NBA. To be honest though I don't know how we'll move up. Trading a pick in the 20's plus second rounders doesn't let you move up that much, even if it happened incrementally (move from pick 20 to 16 to 12 to 9...). I don't think it'll happen. Again, that LAC 2nd rounder will be quite valuable near the beginning of the second round.
I'm just getting sick of college basketball players entering the NBA draft after one season. Its obvious that they get mid draft pickings or get waived within their second year into the League. We need players like Brandon Roy, who stick through college for 4 years and polish up their skills before the NBA. LA at least did two years. Still our quality is more limited when theres less basketball experience when they reach pro.
yep. durant, rose, beasley, oden, mayo, eric gordon, bayless, kevin love, thadeous young, hawes, daequan cook, mike conley. it's just horrible that these kinds of players are allowed to leave college after one year. and it's obvious that none will succeed in the nba and most will be out of the league by their 2nd year.
? I don't think the posts have been indicative of that. Unless you just mean based on the thread title.
