Dwight Jaynes vs Mo Williams, the war is on!

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    Meyers Leonard, Dorell wright?
     
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    Not to sound like the Snapper but to get something you have to give something. You can just can't go and steal it away.
     
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    I think most of the posters here are frustrated with Mo and Wright, now Wright has been benched and, and Jaynes pointed out stats which are not surprising.

    Mo really is not part of this team's future. CJ will be backup SG, and we need a steadier backup PG, not a flashy turnover machine.
     
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    Oh my. Slow news week? Someone at CSNNW needs attention?

    I actually mentioned this train wreck that occurred that evening when it happened, and searched in vain for a video clip to post here. I’m kind of glad this didn’t going away, because Jaynes looked like a bitter old man that should have been put out to pasture years ago. You know, gone out on top with his Oregon sports Hall of Fame induction. This is just sad watching his body and mind fail him.

    I don’t have a glowing opinion of Haynes, but he is definitely a player’s beat writer, and I foresee him garnering some respect after this incident; even after the LA rumors sent Portland fans into the most obnoxious debate since last season.

    I suppose I could settle this argument by just replying to Jaynes with, “Jaynes is washed up, Mo is not. #NothingToSeeHere”. But his perception of Mo is one I see repeated on this forum all too often. So let’s do this…

    Jaynes’ premise that evening was that Portland is winning despite Mo, not because of Mo’s contributions. And to prove it, he compares Mo to other players.

    Mo leads the NBA at the either guard position in assists from off the bench. Hard to make an argument that Mo is a shoot first PG when there is not a single back-up PG in the entire NBA with more assists per game, but people still try.

    The point of using stats, advanced or otherwise, is to compare players. What better way to compare them than an actual head-to-head match-up, who's results actually means something – a win, or a loss?

    Dwight Jaynes ‏@dwightjaynes
    @mowilliams Manu Ginobili, Reggie Jackson, Ramon Sessions, Andre miller, Darren Collison, Jarret Jack, Shaun Livingston, Evans... No mo room


    I wanted to start by pointing out that Mo asked Jaynes to name 3 point guards (PG). Ginobili is a shooting guard (SG), and has played all his minutes this season at the SG position.

    Ginoblili 26 min 3 reb 3 ast 1 stl 2 to 11 pts -7 (back to back for SA)
    Mo 23 min 2 ast 1 blk 2 to 13 pts +8 (back to back for Port)
    W 115-105

    This is Jackson’s 3rd year with OKC. Obviously this is Mo’s 1st 36 games as a Blazer. One day Jackson may be better than Mo, even much better. But, for all the hype surrounding Jackson, even his biggest proponents acknowledge Jackson lacks experience in pressure situations and it shows - something Mo has a lot of. Jackson brings nothing to the locker room in OKC. That alone makes Mo the better player.

    Jackson 29 min 2 reb 1 ast 1 blk 12pts -2 (back to back for OKC)
    Mo 25 min 3 reb 6 ast 1 stl 2 to 7 pts -7
    W 111-104

    Jackson (started this game) 29 min 7 reb 6 ast 1 st 1 to 12pts +2
    Refused to give the ball up to Durant (1 point for KD, & 0 assists for Jackson in the 4th quarter), OKC only scored 16 pts that quarter, and he missed 2 FT in the final 2:40

    Mo 19 min 1 reb 3 ast 0 to 5 pts -2 (back to back game for Port)
    Missed 2 clutch free throws, up 1 point, and was fouled 8 seconds after having come off a 6 min sit on the bench
    W 98-94

    Sessions 29 min 3 ast 1stl 1 to 14 pts -14
    Mo 21 min 10 ast 2 stl 3 to 15 pts +17 (double/double)
    W 134-104

    Miller 17 min 4 reb 10 pts -4
    Mo 26 min 1 reb 3 ast 1 to 11 pts +1
    W 113-98

    Livingston (started this game) 29 min 2 reb 2 ast 1 stl 23 pts +3
    Mo 31 min 5 reb 6 ast 3 stl 2 blk 1 to 12 pts +18 (back to back game for Port)
    W 108-98

    Evans has played zero minutes as a PG (81.6% of his minutes are played at SF, 18.4% at SG). The Pelicans have been looking to dump Eric Gordon’s (SG) contract more so now than ever because of adding Evans. Note to self, Jaynes did not list Austin Rivers or Eric Gordon, probably because there is a limit of 1 tweet per day. Someone with twitter might be able to verify that for me.

    Evans 27 min 6 reb 6 ast 2 stl 2 to 21 pts (on 22 shots) +4
    Mo 24 min 2 reb 5 ast 2 to 7 pts -3
    W 110-107

    Evans 29 min 5 reb 4 ast 2 stl 2 blk 1 to 20pts +5 (hit the game winner)
    Mo 30 min 4 reb 5 ast 8pts -5
    L 110-108

    Jack 28 min 5 reb 4 ast 1 stl 12 pts +9
    Mo 23 min 2 reb 6 ast 1 blk 2 to 9 pts +2
    W 119-116

    Collison 24 min 1 reb 2 ast 6pts -2 (back to back for LAC)
    Mo 24 min 1 reb 8 ast 2 to 12 pts +13
    W 116-112 OT

    Record: 9-1

    What we’ve learned:

    ● To suggest that Mo did not play a positive role in that 9-1 record, or that the other players listed would have been better is simply bush league, Kevin Pelton, Ben Golliver, "journalism".

    ● If you go out of your way to disparage a player or team, people will pay attention to you for better or for worse. Mission accomplished? I guess if looking like a jackass isn’t important.

    It’s too bad this wouldn’t fit into a tweet. I think I’d have to settle on “GFY Jaynes” #WashedUp #MoYourRole
     
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    Well, if they try for and win Kendall Marhall. He will be a serviceable backup for Damian. Take Mo, Leonard and whatever and move them for Asik. Or maybe another wing to come off the bench if you are content with the frontcourt.
     
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    Then what type of player could the Blazers get back in return for Mo Williams and Meyers Leonard?
     
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    Nothing like Dwight criticism to get the board to rally around Mo. LOL. As frustrating as he can sometimes be I never said he's not an upgrade and the best we've got. There's still plenty of season left to fine tune the execution.
     
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    I used to like, support and follow Dwight, then he got fickle and blocked me on Twitter.

    No more.
     
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