Politics EAT THE RICH! Vote for Bernie!

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  1. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I'm gonna have to look up some things on him to see what he's all about.

    All I know, is that Trump will never get a vote from me, so there's that.
     
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    VanillaGorilla Well-Known Member

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    I'm pretty sure he knows how many there are.. That's why he always talks about the top .1 of the 1%. Also, you know he doesn't just want the extremely rich individual people to pay for it, right?
     
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    https://berniesanders.com/issues/
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    He's gonna get a lot of college votes, and also just graduated folks (would it be grandfathered in... god I hope so)
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Not gonna happen. He probably won't even win primary. He's too communist
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You're talking about Trump. :ghoti:

    On the reals, all I care about is that Trump doesn't make it. He'd be the single reason this country would enter the apocolyptic stage. ;)
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    LOL

    This is Trumps world and you're just living in it.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Maybe the apocalyptic stage is a GOOD thing?!
     
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    I don't follow politics, I actually abhor them for all their lying (Every single one does), but Trump actually scares me. That's all. So I find it fruitless to argue which candidate is better since they all suck anyway and don't care about the actual american people. I tend to vote for the lesser of two evils.
     
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    He's not a communist at all.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    O'Reily????

    During Bernie’s mayoral tenure, Burlington formed an alliance with the Soviet city of Yaroslavl, 160 miles northeast of Moscow. When in 1988 he married his wife, Jane, the mayor decided it would be a perfect place for his honeymoon. In a tape of his interview with Yaroslavl’s mayor, Alexander Riabkov, Sanders acknowledges that housing and health care appear to be “significantly better” in the U.S. than in the socialist paradise. “However,” he added, “the cost of both services is much, much, higher in the United States.” Sanders made further globe-trotting expeditions to socialist countries. He visited Cuba, scoring a meeting with Havana’s mayor. In 1985 he attended the celebrations marking the sixth anniversary of the Sandinista revolution in Nicaragua. “In a letter addressed to the people of Nicaragua, penned in conjunction with that trip, Sanders denounced the activities of the Reagan administration, which he said was under the influence of large corporations,” the Guardian notes. “In the long run, I am certain that you will win,” Sanders wrote, “and that your heroic revolution against the Somoza dictatorship will be maintained and strengthened.” (The Sandinistas were ousted by Nicaragua’s voters in 1990).

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420228/bernie-sanderss-soviet-honeymoon-john-fund
     
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    .. That doesn't make him a communist in any way..
     
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    He's also not even a socialist in the truest sense of the word, because socialism is the opposite of capitalism and Bernie is not against capitalism. He talks about Scandinavian countries a lot, and most of them would be described as social democracies. Social democracy is about universal welfare being placed into the context of a capitalist economy, where the means of production are owned by individuals rather than society or the government (i.e. not socialism or communism).
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    But before you say I posted a right wing site, I present a left wing media interpretation

    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-25-best-things-we-learned-bernie-sanders-book

    18. He used to be a “Sandernista.” As mayor, Sanders attracted national attention and controversy for supporting the socialist Sandinista government in Nicaragua, which was fighting a proxy war with the United States under Ronald Reagan.

    In 1985, he became the highest-ranking American official to visit Nicaragua at the time, and met with President Daniel Ortega. In his book, he called the trip “profoundly emotional” and praised Ortega. Burlington and Managua, Nicaragua’s capital, became sister cities.

    19. Sanders honeymooned in the USSR.Sanders married his current wife, Jane, in May of 1988 and the next day left for their “romantic honeymoon” to Yaroslavl, in the then-Soviet Union. The trip was an official delegation from Burlington to cement the two cities’ sister-city relationship. “Trust me. It was a very strange honeymoon,” Sanders writes.



    “Trust me. It was a very strange honeymoon.”


    He also visited Cuba with Jane in 1989 and tried to meet with Fidel Castro, but it didn’t work out and he met with the mayor of Havana and other officials instead.
    Sanders is proud of Burlington’s international diplomacy efforts. “Burlington had a foreign policy because, as progressives, we understood that we all live in one world,” he writes.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    During the debate he made it perfectly clear that he is not a capitalist.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    LOL okay whatever you say boss
     
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    He's against giant corporations that own everything. Just because he doesn't call himself a capitalist doesn't mean he is 100% against capitalism. He is not proposing that the United States should have a socialist (workers controlling the means of production) economy.
     
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    But he truly is, which is why he will never make it past primaries. He doesn't have the clout to muscle past the DC establishment, whom are the big money people you say he hates. He should have run independent IMO.
     
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    Bernie's main confusion seems to me to be conflating ownership with taxable income. Just because the top .1% own as much as the bottom 80 to 90% (or whatever the hell the figure he keeps throwing around) doesn't mean that there's this huge bonanza of taxable income to be picked up by raising taxes. First, a good chunk of that wealth is in the capital infrastructure that makes our economy work. Second, the top .1% can afford the best tax advisers around. Some of the truly wealthy don't even have taxable income. They reinvest what they make and they live off of loans against their assets.
     
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