I think it will be like the Pistons were last year 2 starting big men that are still relatively young James/Curry (Sheed/Ben), and a quality big man backing them up Antonio Davis (McDyess) with a highly touted draft pick behind them Frye (Darko). I just hope Frye gets some minutes and he shows that he's not as bad as everyone thinks. Starbury is a heck of a player but I dont think he's the right fit for New York or atleast not yet, he doesnt seem like it. Jamal can play PG like KA mentioned and he showed he was good at it in glimpses last season. I think this acquisition is great for the Knicks, but now there overloaded with big men considering they still have Lee, Rose, Taylor all playing the 4 behind Curry/James/Frye/Davis.
I wouldnt touch Curry with a 10 ft pole. Curry may have a fatal heart problem but he does not want to get a DNA test done in order to find out more about the condition? Maybe I am a little perturbed by the whole matter but I remember the night Reggie Lewis died. It was a not pleasant sight. Even though Curry has been given the go ahead, he has to understand that this a business and the Bulls were trying to protect their investment. He is going to run into this problem with every team's insurance company. The insurance company will not cover him unless he gets that DNA test done. I know because I am an underwriter for a health care provider and we would not touch him with a ten foot pole unless he gets more extensive tests done. Which brings me to my next point. Isiah Thomas will touch anything that moves along as it sounds good and looks good. His best move to date was getting rid of Tim Thomas today. Can someone say overrated? T. Thomas has been consistant since he has been in the league, consistantly inconsistant. Any team can call Isiah and get payroll taken off their cap because Isiah will take him. So Isiah made one great move in getting rid of TT. Then he makes a bad move in getting Curry. Maybe Curry will turn out to be a beast. I dont think so because he cant rebound worth a damn but he does score. So now Isiah has a glut at PF and C. Jerome James, Channing Frye, Curry, David Lee, Bruno Sundov, Jackie Butler, Malik Rose, Antonio Davis and Mo Taylor competing for two positions. OUt of those nine players, how many of the will make a significant impact? Hopefully Curry, Frye and Lee will be the ones that step up because we know what to expect from the others. Nothing. Antonio's best years were back in the mid to late 90s. Davis will be a locker room leader and the Bulls will miss that more than the loss of Curry. Again Isiah has bought him a good not great player with a lot of baggage. The team still will not finish better than third place behind the Cs, Nets and most likely the Sixers (L Brown will bring you Knicks fans a couple of more wins). Hopefully Curry will develop into the player everyone thought he was going to become after he skipped college. We will not know probaly for a couple of more years. Hopefully Curry will see those years.
only the knicks could conjure up such an abysmal trade they used their 1st round pick on a centre,signed J.JAMES to a ridiculous contract and now have traded for ANOTHER centre maybe they should think about their backcourt more cos that little guy they got aint gonna do nothing this year
I was the first one to say it, and I'll say it again. New York will never get anywhere with Isiah at the helm.
The Knicks got ripped, I don't know any other way to say it. Not only do you give up the only player on last year's roster that showed some promise (besides Ariza) but two draft picks that appear to be first rounder's. Come on Isiah, not only that you traded your only big salery who is coming off your league/record high cap next season in TT, which could have been a great start if you wanted to eventually turn this cap situation around. First you invest your money on Frye, then you give out a huge contract to Jerome James then you go with a young center that shows some promise (isn't that what Frye is?). Poor move by the Knicks is the bottom line for someone that they don't even know will be ready to play professional basketball. Isiah capped off a good off-season will this poor move, if they would have given up less then it would have been gold.
new york has depth; hopefully eddy's problems aren't chronic and if they ain't watch out for the knicks.
Well CK, we're not necessarily giving up the greatest damn PF in the league here, ok? Sweetney's potential is very good, n doubt about that. I love Sweetney as a player, I really do. BUT, even after Nazr was traded last year, Herb wouldn't give Sweets that many minutes - that really bothers me. He had a few games in which he got some good time, but he seemed to foul a bit more later in those games. Sweetney has a correctable foul problem, many PF's do - but you see, it may not be as easy to correct as most. Sweetney is vastly undersized at the 4, we're seeing more and more 6'10 PF's coming in and Sweetney really is only about 6'7 or so. Sweetney also is a bit chubby, not as quick as other PF's. I'm not saying he's slow - he's pretty quick, but not really quick enough that it will cancel out his height and weight problem. Sweetney often has to resort to fouling, because otherwise the defender would score <u>easily</u> over him. Sweetney simply has to foul sometimes - that's a very bad quality. While I'm not too excited about giving Sweetney up, I'm not going to moan and weep over it. It bothers me a little that we did trade TT, giving up an expiring contract. I mean, a part of me wanted to keep him so we'd finally get some relief - but we had to trade him. If I'm right though, Antonio Davis has only one more season left on his deal, and he has a big contract - right? Please let me know, if someone who knows could just post telling us Antonio's contract situation we'd appreciate it. At least we'll probably be relieved of Penny after this season, I hope we don't bite and trade him - just let him go. I'll analyze this damn trade when they tell us <u>who was traded</u>. TELL US ALREADY!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'll analyze this damn trade when they tell us <u>who was traded</u>. TELL US ALREADY!</div> tim thomas,michael sweetney,jermaine somebody?? and first round pick for curry and antonio davis another knicks trade masterstroke........oops i meant disasterstroke what is there to analyze?? theirs nothing you can do about it a, your not larry brown??
The contract is a 6 year, 60 million deal <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">think it will be like the Pistons were last year 2 starting big men that are still relatively young James/Curry (Sheed/Ben), and a quality big man backing them up Antonio Davis (McDyess) with a highly touted draft pick behind them Frye (Darko). I just hope Frye gets some minutes and he shows that he's not as bad as everyone thinks. </div> You can't be serious? It will be nothing like the Pistons forward system Oh BTW Davis will be waived and will return to the Bulls.
no offense guys, but I think most of you are being too negative about this trade. I don't think we have much to gain out of Michael Sweetney. Honestly, the guy can run the court 3 times n thats about it. We don't have much to lose in him, so taking a chance in Curry I think wasn't a bad decision, and like someone said before we got rid of T.T. which made me so happy. I think the Knicks are on there way, just let LB work his magic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting chuck d:</div><div class="quote_post">tim thomas,michael sweetney,jermaine somebody?? and first round pick for curry and antonio davis another knicks trade masterstroke........oops i meant disasterstroke what is there to analyze?? theirs nothing you can do about it a, your not larry brown??</div> Oh my lord, your grammar is awful. Clever joke there, I'm sure you're proud of it. I can still analyze it, even if I can't do anything about it.
I really dont know what to say. This deal was at best pretty mediocre. At worst really lousy. It seems Isiah cant do a damned thing right. He traded away Sweetney who quite frankly could have ended up just as good as Curry maybe even better since he's twice the rebounder Curry is, another expiring contract and three draft picks to get a man(Curry) who for all we know could drop dead in the first game of the season and Antonio Davis who will be bought out and back with the Bulls by the beginning of the season. Isiah probably could have thrown in unproven rookies like David Lee or Channing Frye into the deal instead but he let his obsession with removing Layden's players dictate his actions. In one summer we lost the two best rebounders we have for players who can score and do nothing more as well as tacked on even more salary and still havent gotten much better for it. I am extremely disapppointed in Isiah Thomas which is saying something since after the Van Horn deal I never expected anything from him again. On the brightside Sweetney gets to leave this lousy organization and go to a team that expects to make it back to the post season. Oh well at least we have our draft picks...oh wait we dont. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting HASAN33:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldnt touch Curry with a 10 ft pole. Curry may have a fatal heart problem but he does not want to get a DNA test done in order to find out more about the condition? Maybe I am a little perturbed by the whole matter but I remember the night Reggie Lewis died. It was a not pleasant sight. Even though Curry has been given the go ahead, he has to understand that this a business and the Bulls were trying to protect their investment. He is going to run into this problem with every team's insurance company. The insurance company will not cover him unless he gets that DNA test done. I know because I am an underwriter for a health care provider and we would not touch him with a ten foot pole unless he gets more extensive tests done.</div> The doctors and medical experts have already cleared Curry to continue playing basketball so I think that’s good enough. Isn’t going Curry’s DNA and family business kind of a personal matter? I do feel it is important for the Bulls to know exactly what is going on, but Curry is cleared to play and I don’t think he should be forced to get a DNA test if he doesn’t want to. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Which brings me to my next point. Isiah Thomas will touch anything that moves along as it sounds good and looks good. His best move to date was getting rid of Tim Thomas today. Can someone say overrated? T. Thomas has been consistant since he has been in the league, consistantly inconsistant. Any team can call Isiah and get payroll taken off their cap because Isiah will take him. So Isiah made one great move in getting rid of TT. Then he makes a bad move in getting Curry.</div> Yeah, but the Knicks also get Antonio Davis whose contract is expiring next season so it’s not all that bad. It’s not like signing Curry to that much money was like a Jerome James move. Curry is only 22-years-old and would have been a college senior. That’s how young he is. Also, Curry can work with Mark Aguirre and Larry Brown. If he works with them, the Knicks will have themselves a all-star caliber center which are rare these days. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Maybe Curry will turn out to be a beast. I dont think so because he cant rebound worth a damn but he does score.</div> He’s not as bad as I thought he was. Let’s remember, he does play with Antonio Davis and Tyson Chandler – a 7’1” center who is 3rd in the league in rebounds per 48 minutes. Yes, that’s as much as the leader in rebounds per game, Kevin Garnett. I’ll admit, he should be getting some more rebounds, but 5.4 is somewhat exaggerated. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So now Isiah has a glut at PF and C. Jerome James, Channing Frye, Curry, David Lee, Bruno Sundov, Jackie Butler, Malik Rose, Antonio Davis and Mo Taylor competing for two positions.</div> I actually think it’s the opposite. Jerome James, Eddy Curry, and Frye can play center, but let’s remember that Frye at this level is more of a power forward but because he is 6’11” he can give you some minutes at center. In addition, from what James has shown in the past and from what Frye has shown in the summer league, both are very foul prone so having another center isn’t too bad. Also Sundov isn’t getting re-signed or he will join Butler on the IL. Or maybe they might put both of them in their D-League. At PF, we have Rose/Davis/Taylor. Remember: Lee is probably going to be converted to a small forward; he played that during the summer league. He can also give some minutes at power forward so that makes him even more valuable. Also, Rose can play some small forward, too. This frees up space at the SF where Q or Ariza can start without Thomas complaining. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">OUt of those nine players, how many of the will make a significant impact? Hopefully Curry, Frye and Lee will be the ones that step up because we know what to expect from the others. Nothing. Antonio's best years were back in the mid to late 90s. Davis will be a locker room leader and the Bulls will miss that more than the loss of Curry.</div> What do you mean? Sundov and Butler I can’t expect much out of and they’ll probably be in the D-League. Everyone else: Rose, Curry, Frye, James, Taylor, Davis and Lee I expect decent production on the floor for them. Also while Davis’ best years are behind him, he still does intangibles such as his strong interior defense and as you said is locker room presence. Since Jerome Williams is gone now, we’ll need another veteran to give us some leadership. Now we have Davis an even more experienced player an a former all-star. He still puts up decent numbers, too. 7/6 isn’t bad at all. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Again Isiah has bought him a good not great player with a lot of baggage. The team still will not finish better than third place behind the Cs, Nets and most likely the Sixers (L Brown will bring you Knicks fans a couple of more wins). Hopefully Curry will develop into the player everyone thought he was going to become after he skipped college. We will not know probaly for a couple of more years. Hopefully Curry will see those years.</div> Yeah, but the reason why he brought us this good player is because he knows he has the potential to be great (great as in all-star; not Hall of Fame). He also has people such as Brown and Aguirre to mold him into the center he is capable of becoming. I wouldn’t make guarantees about where they end up. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh BTW Davis will be waived and will return to the Bulls.</div> I heard the same thing, but I also heard the Knicks might reconsider. I wonder when the final announcement will be made. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">I really dont know what to say. This deal was at best pretty mediocre. At worst really lousy. It seems Isiah cant do a damned thing right. He traded away Sweetney who quite frankly could have ended up just as good as Curry maybe even better since he's twice the rebounder Curry is, another expiring contract and three draft picks to get a man(Curry) who for all we know could drop dead in the first game of the season</div> Sweetney definitely doesn’t have the potential like Curry. Sure, right now Sweetney is on the level of Curry, but in many years to come what will happen? Curry has all the tools to be a dominant center in the league, and nowadays we don’t see those very often. Also, while Curry isn’t on Sweetney’s level in terms of rebounding, this is something he can learn with Larry Brown and Mark Aguirre. Size and athleticism is something you can’t teach and right there, Curry has the advantage. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and Antonio Davis who will be bought out and back with the Bulls by the beginning of the season.</div> I hope not. They’re some conflicting reports out there, but if Davis, really is going to be waived, won’t his contract still count against our salary cap like Anderson? If so, than we’ll still benefit from his expiring contract. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah probably could have thrown in unproven rookies like David Lee or Channing Frye into the deal instead but he let his obsession with removing Layden's players dictate his actions.</div> Why would he have thrown in two rookies he’s never seen play in a real NBA game? It’s not worth it. Both of them can turn out to be decent players and I wouldn’t feel comfortable for them to rob us of our young core. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In one summer we lost the two best rebounders we have for players who can score and do nothing more as well as tacked on even more salary and still havent gotten much better for it. I am extremely disapppointed in Isiah Thomas which is saying something since after the Van Horn deal I never expected anything from him again.</div> I agree with you here. I don’t think those two are scorers and nothing else, but you’re right about us losing two of our best rebounders. Isiah, as you know, is a risk taker. Many of these moves have potential to be great, but they have the potential to be awful. If Brown can teach these guys to play the right way, the Knicks will be better than they were last year and that’s what Isiah’s banking on. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">On the brightside Sweetney gets to leave this lousy organization and go to a team that expects to make it back to the post season. Oh well at least we have our draft picks...oh wait we dont.</div> I’m not sure about this one. I hear we get draft picks, too. We’ll have to wait until the deal finalized first. It doesn’t matter – you don’t trust Isiah at the draft, either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh BTW Davis will be waived and will return to the Bulls.</div> I heard the same thing, but I also heard the Knicks might reconsider. I wonder when the final announcement will be made.
I don't really understand this trade. The Knicks went out and got two centers this offseason to improve their interior game (Channing Frye and Jerome James). Now they find themselves with too many centers and not enough playing time for all of them to help the team. With Eddy Curry now being the starter, it makes the Knicks look terrible. They spent a lot of money on Jerome James and now he isn't even going to see big minutes. They spent a Top-10 draft pick on Channing Frye and now his role is less important then the water boy's. It just doesn't make any sense for the Knicks to give up picks and more then one player when they were already fine at the center position.
In June and July, the Knicks had no idea they were going to be able to get Curry. When they saw things turning out badly with Chicago and Curry, they said "Hey, why not?". Anyone with Curry's potential can always be welcomed on a team. Also, James and Frye are hacks so there's no telling how long they'll be on the floor. And Frye, for the most part, will be playing power forward in the league so it's not that bad. What is bad is James is the richest back-up center in NBA history.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Swish15:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't really understand this trade. The Knicks went out and got two centers this offseason to improve their interior game (Channing Frye and Jerome James). Now they find themselves with too many centers and not enough playing time for all of them to help the team. With Eddy Curry now being the starter, it makes the Knicks look terrible. They spent a lot of money on Jerome James and now he isn't even going to see big minutes. They spent a Top-10 draft pick on Channing Frye and now his role is less important then the water boy's. It just doesn't make any sense for the Knicks to give up picks and more then one player when they were already fine at the center position.</div> I am not for sure Frye will play that much this year, Brown isnt over hyped about rookies in the first place...I think he was orignally going to be apart of the rotation more for need then the fact that Brown was high on playing him this year. So Brown now has the opportunity to be more selective with the frontcourt rotation, if Frye doesnt prove that he is worth the minutes early in the season, his 05-06 role will get smaller and smaller. As for the trade, I wouldnt be that upset with what you guys gave up...I mean the Spurs pick, probably wont amount to much bebause of how deep they go into the playoffs...and the Knicks already have a decent amount of young prospects in the frontcourt Lee, Frye, Curry as well as the perimeter Robinson, Ariza, so the draft/and geting younger should no longer be the main objective like it was 2 or 3 seasons ago. It is time to start building some results, so draft picks arent as value in that sense anymore. The players the Knicks gave up werent anything special either Sweetney was a nice player...but he still has developement to go before he proves himself a clear cut starter in this league. And KA, hit it right on the head with the size, the 4 spot is only getting bigger, so Sweets lack of it, will be a set back in his overall development....he can still develop into a starter...but if you look at alot of the undersized 4's in this league the Kmart's etc..they are getting buy alot on the type of quickness that Sweets doesnt have...so its a gamble if Mike Sweetney full level of potential will ever be reached. Tim Thomas, if you are waiving Davis contract, isnt much of a loss..because all TT was at this point was cap space for the Knicks in the future...you can get by with Ariza starting, Penny playing a little 3, even Houston depending on the matchup against opposing teams... I think the problem comes in of course is the years given to Curry...to invest that amount of years in a guy with a problem that really cant be fixed..and nobody really what is the cause is a risk, I dont think as a gm(if I was one), I would take. Curry can pretty much breakdown at any time without warning and the Knicks are stuck. I think I would have done a 4 year deal with a option on the 4th...so that would be only three years of garanuteed money the Knicks were giving way.
