Eddy Curry Officially Traded to Knicks

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Sweetney definitely doesn?t have the potential like Curry. Sure, right now Sweetney is on the level of Curry, but in many years to come what will happen? Curry has all the tools to be a dominant center in the league, and nowadays we don?t see those very often. Also, while Curry isn?t on Sweetney?s level in terms of rebounding, this is something he can learn with Larry Brown and Mark Aguirre. Size and athleticism is something you can?t teach and right there, Curry has the advantage.</div>

Potential? I'm tired of that stupid word being used to justify every stupid move Isiah has made! The Van Horn deal was supposed to be about TT's and Nazr's potential(neither of whom lasted more than a season with the Knicks by the way), Crawford was brought in because he supposedly had All Star potential(one of Isiah's better moves that ended with the Bulls looking extremely smart), Jerome James is the richest back up center in league history because of potential(potential he displayed in one or two playoff games) and now were here talking about Curry's potential? How about talking about what is? Let's do that for a change. Curry isa pitiful rebounder. The excuse about him playing alongside Chandler and Davis doesnt hold water. Curry definetely has the size and athleticism advantage over Sweetney. But Sweetney has the desire and work ethic advantage which is the biggest advantage there is. Anyone who thinks Curry will ever be a dominant center in this league needs to have their heads examined. His name didnt even come up last year when discussing All Star centers for the East. Nazr's name was mentioned more times which isnt good.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope not. They?re some conflicting reports out there, but if Davis, really is going to be waived, won?t his contract still count against our salary cap like Anderson? If so, than we?ll still benefit from his expiring contract.</div>

Yes he's definetely going back to Chicago. There are no conflicting reports. Some reports mention it other reports dont.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would he have thrown in two rookies he?s never seen play in a real NBA game? It?s not worth it. Both of them can turn out to be decent players and I wouldn?t feel comfortable for them to rob us of our young core.</div>

So you think trading a proven player is better than trading an unproven player? Wow. That's some pretty interesting logic. Channing Frye will be a nothing in this league. He wont be much better than Jason Collins if he ever gets that good.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with you here. I don?t think those two are scorers and nothing else, but you?re right about us losing two of our best rebounders. Isiah, as you know, is a risk taker. Many of these moves have potential to be great, but they have the potential to be awful. If Brown can teach these guys to play the right way, the Knicks will be better than they were last year and that?s what Isiah?s banking on.</div>

Really? What does Richardson and Curry do besides score? They certainly dont play defense or rebound(well Richardson does rebound well for a guard). So what else do they do? It's funny rebounding was a bright spot for the Knicks last year but now it looks like it's going to be a serious problem. And more of this potential stuff...

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I?m not sure about this one. I hear we get draft picks, too. We?ll have to wait until the deal finalized first. It doesn?t matter ? you don?t trust Isiah at the draft, either. </div>

Good memory. You're right I dont trust Isiah Thomas with the draft. But I get the feeling if/when this season that is full of hope ends in disaster(again)Isiah will be shown the door and Brown will be running the show and I do trust Brown with the draft.


Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

I think H20 is actually Michael Jordan.

I would have loved to see how Layden faired up when you compare him to Zeke. Reading H20's posts... I'd swear we were battling Charlotte for losses with no light at the end of the tunnel.

I'm still gonna remain positive and if I'm wrong I'm wrong... but I'm not gonna dismiss what's happened this summer before the team even steps on the court.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Potential? I'm tired of that stupid word being used to justify every stupid move Isiah has made! The Van Horn deal was supposed to be about TT's and Nazr's potential(neither of whom lasted more than a season with the Knicks by the way),</div>
I don’t know anything about Nazr’s potential. When he came over, he was 27 years old and wasn’t 6’11” 285 pounds with a great post game or drawing Shaquille O’Neal comparisons. If memory serves me correct, in order to get Nazr, they had to trade Van Horn. Isiah wouldn’t have done it straight up.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Crawford was brought in because he supposedly had All Star potential(one of Isiah's better moves that ended with the Bulls looking extremely smart),</div>
Well, he was brought in as a sixth man. Crawford was alright last year, especially towards the end of the season. There’s no way we can judge this move right now.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jerome James is the richest back up center in league history because of potential(potential he displayed in one or two playoff games)</div>
If Isiah knew Curry would become available, he would have never gotten Jerome James. Who knows, maybe Brown might put Curry and James in at the same time.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and now were here talking about Curry's potential? How about talking about what is? Let's do that for a change. Curry isa pitiful rebounder. The excuse about him playing alongside Chandler and Davis doesnt hold water.</div>
I said I agree with his size, he should be getting more rebounds, but the fact he is playing with Davis and Chandler does impact how many rebounds he gets a game. Last year when Chandler was injured for 47 games, he averaged 6.2 rebounds in about the same time.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Curry definetely has the size and athleticism advantage over Sweetney. But Sweetney has the desire and work ethic advantage which is the biggest advantage there is.</div>
That is true, but with Aguirre, Brown, Isiah, his best friend, Crawford, he has everyone rooting for him to do well. The media won’t be friendly, so I think that will perhaps motivate Curry.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone who thinks Curry will ever be a dominant center in this league needs to have their heads examined. His name didnt even come up last year when discussing All Star centers for the East. Nazr's name was mentioned more times which isnt good.</div>
Maybe it’s because we didn’t mention Curry. Curry was right behind Big Z for a spot and Mohammed wasn’t even a top 10 vote getter. His name wasn’t mentioned more times.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes he's definetely going back to Chicago. There are no conflicting reports. Some reports mention it other reports dont.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NY Daily News:</div><div class="quote_post">Antonio Davis, but it is unclear if Davis will be added to the roster or released.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NY Times:</div><div class="quote_post">Other details of the deal remained hazy. The Bulls initially wanted the Knicks to waive Davis so they could re-sign him. But the Knicks may now want to keep Davis.</div>
^Just to name a few.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So you think trading a proven player is better than trading an unproven player? Wow. That's some pretty interesting logic. Channing Frye will be a nothing in this league. He wont be much better than Jason Collins if he ever gets that good.</div>
No, what I said was you don’t know how Lee or Frye will turn out and besides, Sweetney plus Thomas plus Frye or Lee would be way too much. I don’t think Frye will turn out like Collins, but at least Collins is a very sound defensive center and one of the best in the league, actually. I wouldn’t mind having that.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Really? What does Richardson and Curry do besides score? They certainly dont play defense or rebound(well Richardson does rebound well for a guard). So what else do they do? It's funny rebounding was a bright spot for the Knicks last year but now it looks like it's going to be a serious problem. And more of this potential stuff...</div>
The Knicks need rebounding at the G/F position. Marbury, Crawford and Thomas were all bad rebounders and averaged around 3 per game. Richardson gets 6. Also in the Richardson deal we got Nate Robinson so there’s more to it than that. Curry can give us a threat and if he gets help from the staff, he can become much more than that.

 

I hope Curry has still taken a DNA test, regardless of whether or not he disclosed it to the team.

However, I just don't like the way Curry handled this problem. If he knew he had the condition then he's trying to screw the team over. If he doesn't know his own condition then he's being careless about his health. If he knew that he didn't have it then he's being stubborn for no reason at all. I know his agent tried to argue that DNA testing would lead to testing if people are predisposed to alcoholism, obesity, etc., but he's really exaggerating. The Bulls were making sure that Curry wouldn't jeapordize his own health if he hadn't tested himself or screw them over if he had: that alternate 50-year contract shows their intentions were honest.

 

According to ESPN, it was approved by the NBA and nothing about draft picks or Davis being waived was mentioned.

 

Alright, here is the final deal:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Chicago Bulls convey to the New York Knicks the contract of Antonio Davis and the signed-and-traded contract of Eddy Curry. In exchange, New York conveys to Chicago the contracts of Tim Thomas and Michael Sweetney, the signed-and-traded contract of Jermaine Jackson, and New York?s regular second round draft choice in 2007 and 2009.

In addition, New York conveys to Chicago, New York?s 2006 regular first round draft choice on condition that the pick does not actually go to Utah (due to not being number 26-30) and also on condition that New York receives San Antonio?s 2006 regular first round selection (due to being number 11-30). If New York?s 2006 first round does go to Utah (due to being number 26-30), and New York does receive San Antonio?s 2006 first round pick (due to being number 11-30), New York conveys to Chicago that San Antonio first round selection.

In addition, New York also conveys to Chicago the right to switch first round draft picks with New York in 2007 provided that New York?s first round selection does not go to Utah (is not number 25-30). Per team policy, terms of the contract were not disclosed. This trade is conditional upon the players passing their physicals.</div>

And...
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">While it maybe done, the Blockbuster trade that brought Eddy Curry to the Knicks has many varying parts being reported involved by the Media. Similar to what Boston did with Gary Payton last year, the Bulls initially wanted the Knicks to waive veteran big-man Antonio Davis so they could re-sign him. But the Knicks may now want to keep Davis.</div>
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So, we might keep Antonio Davis, too. This makes the trade so much better. I don't like giving up the picks, but we get Davis an inside presence on defense and an expiring contract to go along with Curry. We faired decently. Agree?

 

Curry is a bit one dimensional, but at least that dimension is a very rare offensive game found in only a few centers. I tend to agree more with what H20 is saying, though. There needs to be some balance, continuity, and players who are born winners rather than question marks considered "potential".

I also thought Zeke gave up too much. The guy can't stand still and he never seems to want to rebuild through the draft very much. Curry for Sweetney and another minor player should have been fair enough because of Curry's heart risk and his history of behing mediocre at everything else. At least the Knicks have some size, but are there any good rebounders on the team (that don't play for contracts)? The team looks like on paper that they are the type who would shoot a lot and what happens when Curry refuses to pass the ball out of the post? Also what is the backup plan if Curry isn't cleared to play because of a heart condition or what if he starts underachieving again? Also I think part of Larry Brown's success with the Pistons was that they focussed on defense, played with heart and really passed the ball. Curry isn't the type that is going to do that. And QRich passing? Are you kidding me? Then there is the matter of who is the power forward. There are four tweeners on the squad and none of them can rebound.. wait I take that back... David Lee is good but can he score from the perimeter? Also Malik Rose is pretty good rebounder but at 6'7 he's not Charles Barkley type impact... But I guess if Channing Frye was drafted before all these guys they could have taken, he should get some burn. I mean why not? #8 pick in the draft has go to play or Isiah would have been better off drafting somebody else instead of for need.

With the way Isiah runs things in NY it's hard to really know what to expect, but it looks like the Knicks could make the playoffs, but I don't think very far. Anyway, I agree with H20 that Isiah Thomas should be fired.

 

Kanye West: Isiah doesn't care about defense.

 

I think this was an overall good trade for both sides. The Bulls may have lost Curry, who was looking to be one of the cornerstones for that franchise, but they got some pretty good players in return. Sweetney gives them some size in the middle, but the only problem with him is he's undersized and plays the same position as Tyson Chandler, so that might end up forcing Chandler to play the center spot if they choose to put him and Sweetney as the starting frontcourt. Tim Thomas is an enigma. He's got talent, but he doesn't always put it to use. He's got good size, at around 6'10", to play either forward spot and he's got good outside range that can stretch the defense. But, the most appealing thing about him this year is that massive contract that will be expiring at the end of the season, giving the Bulls even more cap room. And then Jermaine Jackson is a player I'm not really familiar with, so I really can't give a fair assessment on him. All in all though, this looks like a good trade for each side. I'm just really curious as to how much the Knicks are going to shell out to Curry. If they give him a Tyson Chandler-esque contract, which I'm assuming is what he'll be looking for, then they could be in even more cap hell then they were before this trade.

 

I just heard that Curry passed his physical and he's officially a Knick.

 

So that means he took a DNA test?

 

Interesting. Although some of you are unhappy, with this trade does anyone else realize that Isiah always gets what he wants. He is the GM of the team, and usually when he sets out to get a player he wants he suceeds. A similar situation was last year when Isiah was trying to make a deal for Jamal Crawford. You would hear on and off rumors but in the end Isiah got his player. Now that they have a Coach like Larry Brown, maybe the Knicks can but their team together.

 

LoL, so why doesnt Isiah want some better players. Maybe his determination will get them. Isiah is a smart gm at making trades but he doesnt know how 2 assemble a team. Instead he pays players too much money and has logjams at almost every position.

 

Knick fans baffle me............Isiah has done some questionable things. But lately he's gotten younger, and has actually got some REAL size at the PF/C positions. No more 6'9 Kurt Thomas playing Center (that's Phoenix's problem now). The Knicks are young, athletic, and BIG. You have Marbury leading the way, and you have alot talent around that. Not to mention that Isiah talked Larry Brown into coaching the team, which I never though in a million years he could do. So I would say your in the drivers seat, but it's always somebody who ain't happy. I guess you can't please everybody.

KEEP IN MIND:Whenever you have Larry Brown coaching your team, YOUR ALWAYS IN GOOD SHAPE (atleast until he gets bored)