Eric Holder omitted Blagojevich link from questionnaire

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Did the poll ask about Rahm or Obama's lies?
     
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    You seem to be unable to tell the difference between a lie and a mistake.

    In fairness, so does the mainstream media, but if you're using that for your benchmark of civility and intelligence then you're really not aiming very high.
     
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    What lies? You have yet to show any lie by either Rahm or Obama.

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    You asked for a quote and I found it for you. Or do you forget?
     
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    I remember that you did provide a quote; I also remember that it didn't contain any known falsehoods.

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    He denied he or his staff had any contact with Blago over the replacement. That's a known falsehood.
     
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    From post #18, Sun Times article, a second Obama spokesperson backing up Obama's initial lie:

    President-elect Barack Obama's incoming chief of staff Rahm Emanuel had a deeper involvement in pressing for a U.S. Senate seat appointment than previously reported, the Sun-Times has learned. Emanuel had direct discussions about the seat with Gov. Blagojevich, who is is accused of trying to auction it to the highest bidder.

    Emanuel talked with the governor in the days following the Nov. 4 election and pressed early on for the appointment of Valerie Jarrett to the post, sources with knowledge of the conversations told the Sun-Times. There was no indication from sources that Emanuel brokered a deal, however.

    A source with the Obama camp strongly denied Emanuel spoke with the governor directly about the seat, saying Emanuel only spoke with Blagojevich once recently to say he was taking the chief of staff post.
     
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    No, the quote you provided said that he had not contact with Blago. It does not say staff.
    And so far as we know, Obama himself did not have any contact with Blago about the replacement.

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    He said "WE did not"
     
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    Yes, I think we can agree that "a source" either lied or was misinformed.
    Do you have evidence that "a source" is named Obama or Rahm?

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    Asked and answered:

     
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    The press will dutifully report anything Obama chooses to say. They also reported on Obama's internal "investigation" and they'll surely keep reporting on the Blago scandal and Fitz's report.
     
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    You are really grasping at straws here. Here's the quote again:

    It seems clear that he meant to backtrack on the we, and replace it with I. Otherwise, the sentence makes no sense, since "I" is included in "we". One could probably establish that by listening to the audio.

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    "And so we were not" (in contact with the governor or his office).

    Plain as day.

    It might be chalked up as a mistake, if it weren't for other people who work for him denying that Emanuel had any contact with the governor about it.
     
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    Wow. Is anyone else ever right?
     
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    I don't think so.

    I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not (in contact with the governor or his office), I was not aware of what was happening.

    That doesn't make logical sense, and it doesn't flow very well.

    Whereas

    I had no contact with the governor or his office and so [strike]we were not[/strike] I was not aware of what was happening.

    sounds more like something someone would actually say.

    By the way, is there a strikethrough feature here? It seems that [strike] doesn't do it.

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    He was answering a question by the press about whether they had contacts with Blago or if he knew Blago was soliciting bribes.

    I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not (in contact with the governor or his office). I was not aware of what was happening.

    Period makes more sense. Remember, he said it and didn't write it down; it's transcribed.
     
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    Right, so your claim that he's lying now rests on your assumption that the quote is incorrect.

    Your case is getting progressively weaker, and it was none too healthy to begin with.

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    The quote is correct, as are the various quotes of sources from the Obama that Emanuel had no contact with Blago, except to tell him he was taking a position with Obama's administration. Something he'd have to do so Blago could fill his seat, too.
     
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    Breaking news. LOL

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