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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Paying Frye 1 year @ $9M is cheaper than paying a guy you don't want 2 years @ $12M per ($24M). It's a $15M savings.

    You also gain $12M in cap space after a season.
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    Yeah, it's possible, I guess. I don't recall ever seeing an unproductive player signed to a large, one-year deal just to be dealt as an expiring in a sign-and-trade. I assumed that's because teams don't consider it an attractive proposition, but perhaps it's for some other reason.
     
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    Frye would have to agree to sign a three year deal with only a single year guaranteed... you can't do any shorter contract as part of a sign and trade.

    I'm not sure that he would be willing to do that. Maybe, depending on what other offers are out there and what team he'd be traded to, he would.

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    True, but what kind of offer is Frye going to get that beats $9M the first year? Plus, if he believes in himself and proves he's worth keeping, then he'll earn the whole contract...
     
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    BalancedMan That's out of context....

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    I agree with this. There's a lot to like about Sessions. Granted, his outside shooting is suspect, but you could say the same for Harris, Rondo, Parker...Andre Miller. I lot of very good point guards in the league aren't the best outside shooters. If you have to dump Blake (maybe even Outlaw) to go out and get the guy you want, you do it. I think it'd be crazy for Milwaukee to not match for Sessions, as I thought they got rid of Mo Williams in part because they thought Sessions could handle the load (and then Scott Skiles showed up).

    I'm am onboard with getting Sessions if possible, as PG is our weakest position, as SF-by-committee at least has the advantage of throwing out different looks and there is some good young talent there. Outside of Bayless, whom many don't think is a true PG, we don't have someone who is going to be the MAN (Sergio? Blake? For long-term please. Webster or Batum on the other hand...).

    So yeah, I really hope they pull in Sessions and bring Freeland over. Draft someone if they want in the draft (could stash Euros, lots of 2nd rounders).

    And I'd be thrilled heading into next season with a PG who has penetrate the lane and create, drawing fouls. We need more players like that. Take the pressure off Roy.
     
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    The Bucks are up against the luxury tax, which they're determined not to pay, apparently. Otherwise, I'm sure they'd lock him up. I'm hoping Portland can arrange a sign-and-trade with Milwaukee for Sessions. Much as I like Bayless, I'd trade him to get Sessions. It's a win-win...they can't afford to re-sign Sessions and Villaneuva. They convert Sessions into a much cheaper prospect (who has considerable upside) and can turn their attentions to retaining Villaneuva.

    Portland then makes Sessions the starter and Blake settles in as a top-notch back-up point guard.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    That's where my head is at.

    In all likelihood Sessions would still be Blake's understudy to start the season, as I'm sure Nate would be very reticent to inject a third year guy (and a newbie to the roster) into the starting lineup ... unless he blew Steve so far out of the water in training camp that the coaches had no other choice.

    For the off-season I can see a couple of scenarios that could work:

    Plan A:
    Sign and trade Bayless for Sessions (or Sergio if they really wanted him, which I can't see) and run with a Sessions/Blake rotation and possibly draft a guy like Eric Maynor (if possible?) to fill your 3rd spot.

    Plan B:
    Sign Andre Miller and then make a decision on Blake and/or Jerryd as your backup. In this scenario I think you are hoping that Miller would somehow be able to groom Jerryd for the future, and there's a lot to like about that plan, but you wonder how well Miller is going to hold up given his age and there's still some question as to whether or not Bayless is the right fit.

    Plan C:
    Trade for somebody like Hinrich or whomever and let Bayless back him up and maybe draft a point guard as some emergency depth.

    Plan F (as in failure) :wink:
    Nothing happens at all and we go through the same slog as last year with Blake as the starter, Sergio as his backup and Jerryd stews on the bench until he finally gets sick of it and demands a trade before the deadline.
     
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    After watching the Celtics/Bulls series, I'd be relatively content with Plan C. Hinrich's defense would be such a big help, he runs an offense well and he knocks down shots. Sessions is my A#1 choice, but Miller would be nice and Hinrich would be a pretty satisfying fall-back plan.

    Plan F can only be contemplated if the Blazers are willing to invest in the surgery necessary to graft the three point guards together.
     
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    There is also a plan D - let Sergio go or trade him for something and go with Blake grooming JB - until JB is ready to take the starting minutes.

    For all of his faults - Blake is far from a bad starter for the next year or two.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    It's a possibility, but damn that sure would an opportunity wasted on KP's part. The only way to excuse not addressing the point guard position is if he adds great small forward though sign or trade.
     
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    His mind set might be very different - thinking that our big PG problem is only at backup PG and if there is no chance to get a PG he really likes at this point - he will not.

    I want to get back to the win% of our players and notice that the team wins 65% of the time Blake is on the floor. That is damn good from your starter PG - especially if you expect the starting group to get better simply by having Greg graduate there and add one more offensive outlet for passes (Love Joel - but his offense is very limited) and having either Martel replace Batum with more offense or simply have Batum improve as you would expect a young player like him with experience and additional coaching.

    If JB can give you a higher win% from the backup PG spot (which I can not see how he will not, Sergio was bad this year) - and we are not that bad with JB taking the time to mature into the starting role.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    I see what you are talking about and I respect it because I'm a numbers and statistics guy myself, but there is something missing from this team beyond the numbers and that is another playmaker to compliment Brandon. Blake is a fine and reliable guard; he takes care of the ball, he rarely turns it over and he is a great at fitting in with Brandon without taking much away from his game. Basically I look at Blake like I looked at Steve Kerr when he played for the Bulls and played off of Jordan, the key difference is that the Bulls had Pippen and he was actually the facilitator in that offense, he was a true point-forward. If we had a guy like Caron Butler or Grant Hill (before he was derailed by injuries) then I wouldn't worry so much about the point guard position.

    As I think the playoffs demonstrated rather dramatically, this team desperately needs more than just a shooting guard who can both create his own shot and a shot for others; it's too easy for good defenses to take that player away and force you to plan B, and for this current team there's currently not much of a plan B.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Is there any chance in hell that we could pry CP3 away? What would be the cost?
     
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    think he could be had for outlaw sergio bayless and filler to make trade money work? (does that matter in summer i always get confused about that) depends on how big of a firesale New Orleans is having although i dont think they will be getting rid of Cp3 anytime soon
     
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    Two out of three of Roy, Aldridge and Oden. At least.

    But, really, I don't think Portland could get Paul. The only way New Orleans deals Paul is if they're so badly off financially that they have to get rid of all their high salaries. In which case, he'd be the last traded and only for a huge bounty of young talent, rather than soon-to-be-expensive players like Roy or Aldridge. Like two blue chip young players. Oden would be a start, but I don't think Bayless, Rudy and/or Batum is enough. They'd want something like Durant and Westbrook.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Is this meant to be sarcastic?
     
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    HELL YEAH!
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Yeah. I'd like to think that maybe something could have been worked out if we still had RLEC and we did something like RLEC, Aldridge, and Bayless for CP3, but even then I'm still not sure they'd go for it.
     
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    I thought they had features like Mock Drafts, Stats, and Videos you couldn't find anywhere else. Am I wrong?
     
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    I agree we would have to give up two of them for NO to even consider the deal. And if they are trading CP3 to save a little cash, all of our big 3 are going to be wanting big bucks very soon, so that won't help them for more than a year.
     

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