ET: Cares not for the haters

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by BlazerBeav, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. e_blazer

    e_blazer Rip City Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2008
    Messages:
    12,949
    Likes Received:
    10,648
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Consultant
    Location:
    Oregon City, OR
    I don't see that the Blazers would have had more flexibility last off-season or at the deadline if they hadn't signed ET. The Blazers are just a bit under the LT threshold of $119M. If they hadn't signed ET or another player in 2016, they'd still be at $103M, which is over the salary cap of $101M. They were literally in a position of lose it or lose it when it came to signing a FA that summer. The only greater flexibility they'd have had is not needing to cut Vonleh to get under the LT. It doesn't seem as though they've missed him much.
     
  2. hoopsjock

    hoopsjock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2018
    Messages:
    3,247
    Likes Received:
    4,291
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Business Owner
    Location:
    North Plains
    We wouldn't have made a trade that we've gone 11-1 since making? :bgrin:
     
    PtldPlatypus likes this.
  3. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    66,226
    Likes Received:
    19,433
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Stevens got more out of ET in terms of overall production.

    10.5 ppg, 4.4 assists, 4.9 rebounds, and 1 steal in 28 minutes per game.

    But Stotts is making ET a better shooter, which he has a pretty damn good track record of doing with everyone that comes here.

    Player - (before/current)

    ET - (24%/32%)

    Harkless - (18%/37.5%)

    Aminu - (27.4%/39.2%)

    Napier - (32.7%/38.6%)

    The dude is some kind of voodoo magic worker for shooters. If only we could somehow translate that kind of voodoo over to big men.
     
    handiman and HailBlazers like this.
  4. bobf

    bobf Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    344
    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    43
    I think Blazers need to turn ET into Bruce Bowen. He makes almost 36% of his corner threes. That's a good shot already and if he works on it religiously he should improve to 38% or even 40%. That's a way better shot than his post up. Like Aminu, I don't care how ugly his 3 looks.

    Save his post up for when the half court set falls apart. ET should not be allowed to just decide it's his turn to shoot and post up early in the shot clock. That's an example Bonehead shot selection.
     
    blue9, HailBlazers and PtldPlatypus like this.
  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus This is what it looks like when a platypus cries. Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2008
    Messages:
    20,604
    Likes Received:
    18,076
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I was actually saying this exact thing to a coworker not 30 minutes ago. His on-ball defense on Durant and Thompson on Friday night was outstanding. If he's got that in his toolbox, he needs to be utilizing it every single game. I don't need him to be the 3rd ballhandler he was initially brought in to be; he needs to be our perimeter defensive stud, and be that consistently. That would be so much more valuable to the team than anything he currently brings on the offensive end.
     
    rotary111, blue9 and HailBlazers like this.
  6. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,942
    Likes Received:
    10,475
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    The record with him speaks volumes, IMO.

    He's playing important minutes, and we're winning. He is the replacement player.

    Having "better" players on paper doesn't guarantee anything, unless maybe you're adding an MVP caliber player to a Finals team.

    There were other teams interested (Knicks for one).

    He's on my team, he's succeeding, and I want him to.
     
  7. KingSpeed

    KingSpeed Veteran

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2008
    Messages:
    52,857
    Likes Received:
    13,318
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    actor
    Location:
    New York
    Not true. Heck, Michael Jordan changed who he was at 28 and that's why he won multiple titles. Turner is becoming a better three point shooter.
     
  8. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2014
    Messages:
    11,121
    Likes Received:
    13,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What the hell did Michae Jordan change about himself at 28?

    Turners best three point shooting season was five years ago.
     
  9. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,236
    Likes Received:
    6,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    I understand your position: Life is a bowl of cherries when you're on a big win streak.
     
  10. Wizard Mentor

    Wizard Mentor Wizard Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2008
    Messages:
    9,236
    Likes Received:
    6,526
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Master of Xen Foro
    Location:
    La Grande, OR
    Basically, agree, but you're talking employee to employee. It drove me crazy what my colleges made, for a while - then I got over it. OTOH, if I was a boss, I'd care. If you made more than you're worth, I'd look for opportunities to move you elsewhere. On these forums, we don't think of ourselves our lens is faux-GMs, and from that perspective, he's making way more than his value.

    That being said, I wouldn't be thrilled as a teammate, either. He hasn't done much more than Shabazz, but his salary is literally 80x as much. None of your colleagues likely made 80x as much as you.

    As for the PERS thing, I understand your sensitivity. I am a TIER2 employee myself.
     
    UncleCliffy'sDaddy likes this.
  11. dviss1

    dviss1 Emcee Referee

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2011
    Messages:
    23,236
    Likes Received:
    18,946
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You're going in on him now. To a point where you're starting to go on and on about it. I know you addresses this earlier but c'mon bro, maybe trump should sit in the oval office for a bit before his Twitter tirades. Cumming on someone is a far cry from actually "taking out" their families.

    "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.
     
  12. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    66,226
    Likes Received:
    19,433
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Huh?

    https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turneev01.html

    2015-2016 - 24%

    2016-2017 - 26.3%

    2017-2018 - 31.9%

    You must be looking at his 27 games in Indiana, which was part of the 2013-2014 season. He only attempted 24 threes during that span and shot 50%, but before being traded to Indy he was shooting 28.8% on 2.4 attempts per game.

    His best season from beyond the three point line was 2012-2013. he shot 36.5% on 1.9 attempts in 82 games. He is slowly working his way back up to that though. He's currently at 31.9% on 1.5 attempts.
     
  13. bobf

    bobf Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    Messages:
    344
    Likes Received:
    124
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Yeah, I'm not convinced his defense is that good but maybe it is or can be. Even with that, I still think he needs to be some kind of a threat on offense, otherwise we are playing mostly 4 on 5. His turnaround 2-pointers are not the answer. That's the shot you want teams taking.

    That's why I think he needs to be a corner three threat. Statistically a 36% 3-pointer is a great shot except a corner 3 leaves you pretty far out of position for transition D. But I don't see why he can't get that to 40% with lots of practice. He is an excellent FT shooter and if trebuchet Aminu can manage to hit 39% from all over the place, ET should be able to hit that from just the corner.
     
  14. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2014
    Messages:
    11,121
    Likes Received:
    13,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What you mean huh? 2012-13 season wasn’t five years ago?

    And what do you mean slowly working back to that? There’s quite a difference between the two numbers.

    And kingspeeds whole argument is that Turner has improved as a three point shooter. I don’t know how one can jump to that conclusion when he’s had better shooting seasons.
     
  15. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    66,226
    Likes Received:
    19,433
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Huh... as in he IS showing growth, and he has improved in his time with the Blazers. He's currently at 31.9%, which is much better than his time with Boston, or for most of his time in Philly.
     
  16. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2014
    Messages:
    11,121
    Likes Received:
    13,658
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He’s showing growh while having his third best shooting season?

    Ok.
     
  17. 3RA1N1AC

    3RA1N1AC 00110110 00111001

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2008
    Messages:
    20,320
    Likes Received:
    4,285
    Trophy Points:
    113
    [​IMG]
     
    Jade Falcon likes this.
  18. Nikolokolus

    Nikolokolus There's always next year

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2008
    Messages:
    30,704
    Likes Received:
    6,191
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What a load of horseshit. A player (or a thing) is only worth what the market decides he (it) is. If another firm called me tomorrow and told me they were prepared to triple my salary for the same exact job I'm already doing, All things being equal, I'd be a fucking fool to turn that down.
     
    Titan, PtldPlatypus, HCP and 5 others like this.
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2008
    Messages:
    66,226
    Likes Received:
    19,433
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Ok.
     
  20. bodyman5000 and 1

    bodyman5000 and 1 Lions, Tigers, Me, Bears

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    15,150
    Likes Received:
    9,811
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Exactly why the coaches make so much money. There's no way on Earth any of them deserve multiple millions of dollars per year but some owners would try and steal the good ones by overpaying them and here we are.

    Playing and coaching in the NBA are jobs most of us would do for a fraction of what they get.

    I don't fault any of them for taking what is offered by billionaires.
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2018
    Nikolokolus likes this.

Share This Page