Evidence that "Atheism" is not a sound belief

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  1. TripTango

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    Ooops... Sorry for spilling the beans!
     
  2. magnifier661

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    No I finally got it. But it was close. And very confusing, I admit.
     
  3. Denny Crane

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    By showing you the goat, he is giving you the choice of both other doors. So 66% chance if you switch.

    There are two morals to this exercise.

    1) logic says 50-50, but the math is never wrong.

    2) if you're going to argue with crowTrobot and trip tango, you better at least stay in a Holiday Inn the night before!
     
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    repped for getting my point.
     
  5. magnifier661

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    Really I get mad because people didn't watch my videos? You are presumptuous aren't you? And actually, Trip said I did have a point. So once again you are presumptuous. And looking back, I haven't ignored yet tried to explain why I disagree and still question.

    Once again you only want black and white answers and YOU are unwilling to be open minded. I have already proved I can have an open mind about things; you are just spouting I'm wrong, without any logical rebuttal. Are you speaking for Trip or Denny or yourself?
     
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    And your point is? So instead of 50/50 you get an additional 16%, just because you can eliminate 1 odd? And how does this relate to the toothpicks or the Mona Lisa? I am seriously curious?
     
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    Mags should switch doors, judging from how often he's been right in this thread.

    Were it me, I'd stand pat as I'm always right. :devilwink:
     
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    The point is that "common sense" isn't always as reliable as we like to think. And would you rather have a guard who shot 50% from the field, or 66%?
     
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    But, it always comes back to...."Where did it all come from?" And the resulting answer always appears to be, "We don't know." You'll never escape that equation, TripTango.....ever.

    Where did it all come from does demand an answer.
     
  10. magnifier661

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    You have a point; but #4 and #5 have nothing to do with mathematical probability in one case.

    Yes it is possible that at one moment, the toothpicks can land and spell out your name. But there is another factor involved here. The factor that it could be just as probable, if not better that a person actually came up and wrote your name with tooth picks. Did anyone else think of that?

    You way out both probabilities. One can give you a better probability than the other. Both can be wrong; but one has a better chance of being right. No?
     
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    I'd rather have a guard who shot 50% from the field, so long as they were all treys.
     
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    To simplify things, let's combine #4 and #5.

    [video=youtube;kStRrqzVRS0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kStRrqzVRS0[/video]
     
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    why does it DEMAND an answer?
     
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    :lol: It doesn't really. Now, go back to your cave.

    ;)
     
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    This is why RR7 makes me laugh. He is just hoping for Trip or Denny or Anyone else to stump me. The problem is, I am already stumped; hence my questions. And because I question the Atheist faith; and like Trip said, I actually do have a point in some areas. I question because I don't accept the evidence I've seen so far. And so far; instead of getting answers from many; I am actually just told I don't understand so I must be wrong.

    And if that's the thinking of many in here; then like I said before; you just have discredited all the pioneers in science, art and philosophy.
     
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    That's a flawed premiss, assuming it had to "come" from something/somewhere else.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    Good thinking, MARIS. Glad you've got that all covered.
     
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    And thanks Denny for putting this in actually a deeper perspective. So answer #1 - Someone put it there (lets say is 80% probable) and Answer #2 - It fell by chance is 1:100 (toothpicks) in probability. So looking at it now... Hmmm...

    Okay 1 tooth pick with 100 variables (And I am seriously over simplifying this) is somewhere at the probability of 10 to the 100th power.

    So out of the two choices; which is the right answer?
     
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    There are a lot of things we can objectively measure that we cannot explain. But "God did it" isn't the answer either.

    The speed of light we observe and measure is 186,000 miles per second. That is an "odd" number, no? Why isn't it 187,000? And why, if God did it, is it not very elegant?

    Why is gravity a weak force? It holds us to the earth, yet it takes very little strength to pick up a quarter off the ground thus opposing gravity.

    Atoms are made of electrons, neutrons and protons. The nucleus of the atom has a number of positively charged protons packed close together. Yet we see with magnets that the positively charged ends strongly repel each other. The protons should as well. There is clearly a really strong force holding them together, but WHY is it like that?

    And so on.

    The truth is, 186,000 is the speed of light, gravity is a weak force, and the nuclear force is a strong one. The WHY is the "gaps" in our knowledge. The questions may never be answered.
     

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