Evidence that god exists

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Your logic is just bad.

    Can 2 atoms in Oregon combine at the same exact time that 2 different atoms in California do?

    (YES)

    Your math and logic don't consider that aspect.

    Odds:
    2 dice, 1:36 chance any specific combination is rolled. That's 6x6, 2 dice.
    3 dice, 6x6x6.

    Capiche?
     
  2. Denny Crane

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    Hell no. There's no evidence of a creator either. They look at genes (DNA) with electron microscopes, and there's nobody's signature (e.g. "Jesus" written) on it.
     
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    You can fathom 1 in 10 to the 40,000th power. Thats 1 chance in 10 with 40,000 "0"s behind it. Even Denny's big number he just posted wasn't even a sand particle to the size of that number.
     
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    Well then don't use straw man arguments on me. You played my word "creator" knowing damn well what I meant.
     
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    How many planets are there? And how many more we don't know about/too far away to see?
     
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    LAMO! wrong... The universe has time, according to your big bang. I gave you the entire universe for the primordial soup. Time is still needed to make that soup. Then time is needed to actually have the right combinations in that soup. Then you limit it to just Earth. Then you limit it to 1.8 billion years. Your dice analogy doesn't apply here.
     
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    you (via a lifelong exposure to creationist propaganda) misunderstand and grossly misprepresent the scientific theories and laws you cite. evolution does not involve blind chance, and no scientist thinks abiogenesis would have happened that way either. the second law does not in any way imply nature should be incapable of increasing complexity. these things were hashed to death in mag's atheist thread if you care to read it.
     
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    Yeah and what does that have anything to do with it? We are talking about life on this planet.
     
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    not that many percentage-wise. DNA and the phenotypical expression of DNA is a quite inefficient and wasteful system, exactly as we would expect if it had evolved naturally.
     
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    I don't really care what scientists think about abiogenesis or the "blind chance" argument, since there is no proof that abiogenesis happened or is even possible. Of course they'll say that in order to defend their views, but it's not actually based on any sort of evidence because there is none. And no, things aren't known to self-replicate themselves to form something as complex as a living cell, much less something that resulted from a random explosion.
     
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    DNA is a complex language that gives the instructions for life, there are essentially 200,000 encyclopedias in every cell in your body. Explain to me how this was organized from a non-intelligent force.
     
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    You denying the math and logic doesn't make you right. In other words, you're still wrong.
     
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    That's what you think. Because if you believe in that; I can offer you a 1 chance out of 10 to the 40,000th power that this 100k land I am selling you will have more gold than Fort Knox.

    Wanna buy it?
     
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    My point is that to stand on earth, it seems highly improbable to think wow, life sprung here, with all the combinations possible, and the small chance of it happening. Minuscule.

    but to stand and view ALL the planets, you would think, it's probable one of these will "sprout" life, for lack of a better term.
     
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    Your 10 to the 40,000th power number is wrong. I've shown you the mathematical proof why it is, but you don't get it. Maybe you should stay away from complex math, probability, and that sort of thing.
     
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    The probability, according to his math, that there is more than one planet, let alone star or galaxy, is 1:10^40,000
     
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    LOL I'm wrong? Look it up Denny. Wanna wager I'm wrong on those odds? We are talking numbers from "non-creationists" mathematicians. This isn't coming from a "Christian" website.
     
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    What are the odds that the earth exists?

    Calculate it out for me.
     
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    No that probability isn't even a planet Denny. We are talking about a simple single cell life form. From what is known right now; that is 1:10^40,000. That is 1 cell made by chance. We aren't even talking about other life forms here. That is another mathematical problem.
     
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    Don't know. All I need is life itself. A single cell life form. Who gives a shit about the planet? LOL
     

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