Exclusive Explaining the Problem Facing the NBA That No One Really Understands

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    A friend who works at the Trail Blazers said season tickets are selling better than ever. And that's after having a fairly disappointing season.
     
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    Some of you are too hung up on proving every single argument empirically. The OP is an opinion piece. Bones presented arguments for his positions that he believes to be logical. Some of the counter-arguments presented do the same. It's something to talk about and debate using observation, logic and reasoning, and yes, opinion. No need to make it personal, Comrades! :)
     
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    Most stadiums don't full all the way up every night, so losing a season ticket holder means losing ticket sales somewhere.

    I'm not going to stop going to games, so I'm not one of the people I'm talking about. I've heard it more lately; talk from die-hard fans who are tired of the NBAs BS.

    It's also the combination of things that I said, that I believe other fans will get tired of. I'm also not saying the NBA will combust, I'm saying that I think the NBA will be making less money a few years from now than presently because of these factors.
     
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    The Nurk Effect!! ;)

    Seriously though, I think the Blazers future is pretty bright. I think even the 'casual' ticket buying fans are buying into that. I'd love to have season tickets if I had the money and the time.

    :cheers:
     
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    Yeah, I don't expect to see a turnaround yet. After 5 straight GSW championships and the continued bullshit the NBA does, that's when it'll turn around. I believe the NBA is peaking right now.
     
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    If the GSW were the Blazers, they'd have two franchise player season ending injuries next season. Not that I'm wishing our curse on anyone :rolleyes:
     
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    Hardcore fans: Ones who spend a lot of money on tickets and great every year as well as watches almost every game they can on TV.

    The big markets don't have more seats in the stadium, the big markets have a richer TV deal. I know more casual Laker fans than Blazer fans. These are the type of people who don't buy gear or tickets, follow the game on social media, etc.

    The bigger markets have larger fanbases. I guess there could be an equal ratio of casual:diehard, but they have such sheet numbers than those markets will never lose money based off ticket sales, which is why they're more stable and should be less imperative to satisfy.
     
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    After 5 straight Warriors titles, the Warriors will be on the downslope and a new era of competitiveness will be dawning. I don't think that's when people will leave. If competitiveness were really the problem, this is when I'd expect people to leave--staring down the barrel of at least a few more years of Warriors dominance.

    As I've said in other threads, though, and alluded to in my first post, I don't believe "competitiveness" is what drives league success.
     
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    could merge this thread with the one that says...it's fucking hot outside....hydrate people!!
     
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    I stuck around when the Blazers sucked.....but I still think Die Hard was a mediocre movie
     
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    Warriors ain't going to win 5 straight titles. Something will happen. Dame has the right attitude about it: build the team to win now; play to win now. Anything can happen. And it will.

    :cheers:
     
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    I disagree with your premise simply because I think the sheer volume of casual fans makes their contribution to NBA revenue significantly greater than that of the die-hards, so even if many of the die-hards react as you hypothesize, I think the NBA will miss them less than they would the casual fans.

    Look at soccer. It's arguable that the Timbers' die hard fans are more loyal, more engaged, more likely to spend money on their team, and perhaps even more numerous than the Blazers' die hard fans in Portland. However, the Timbers are far behind the Blazers in relevance to the city as a whole because it's the casual fan interest that drives the Blazers' popularity. As such, I imagine the Blazers and the NBA as a whole are much more interested in catering to the casual fans, and I don't blame them.
     
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    Blazers 2018 champions - BBert
     
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    Great example! I agree!
     
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    Yeah, that's a valid alternative view, however I still feel like the league won't every come close to the competitiveness of the NFL or MLB.

    I think it's the parity problem combined with other things that'll have an affect.
     
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    I just don't see how casual fans supply he NBA with income close to the amount die-hard fans do. Casual fans don't buy tickets, and are a lot less likely to buy gear.
     
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    you've never seen a Lakers game?
     
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    TV deals massively dwarf ticket/merch revenue, and those are driven by casual fans. And a lot of ticket sales are corporate rather than personal (suites and courtside especially), and casual fans drive that too.
     
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    I don't think you understand how many businesses use season tickets and blocks of tickets to wine and dine clients ....
     
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    Casual fans do buy tickets, they just don't buy season tickets. Each individual "casual" doesn't have to buy many tickets per season for a stadium crowd each night to be mostly "casuals."

    Honestly, my guess is that ticket sales are driven by disposable income, not the casual/hardcore split. I'm reasonably sure the vast majority of hardcore fans of a team don't have season tickets, because they can't justify the expense. For people, including casual fans, who can afford them, NBA games are just another entertainment option.
     
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