Fatal shooting of firing range instructor by 9 year old girl and an Uzi

This is generally a situation that I actually support the use of firearms. A controlled environment with safety measures. Allowing a 9 year old to use an Uzi was not bright but under proper supervision and safety it could and probably has worked out. The blame falls on everyone involved though, as a parent allowing a 9 year old girl to use an uzi is pretty questionable judgement and the instructor obviously was not being safe. Really though this is just part of our gun culture, the more weapons you put in the system the more accidents and opportunity for accidents there are, they even happen to instructors and trained military vets.

The price of freedom?

 

The problem is this subculture in America that is centered around guns. I am a gun owner, but I don't belong to this group, most gun owners aren't part of this group. I will occasionally talk to them and there is a large heaping spoonful of paranoia and aggression in this group, and they fight tooth and nail against any common sense rule or law pertaining to guns. It's just wrong. A third grader should not be taught how to use a fully automatic weapon. I'm not sure any civilian should, but certainly not a 9 year old girl. Place the blame on the parents, place the blame on the instructor, place the blame on the range, but also place the blame on our out of whack American gun culture.

 

I think I can get behind this. I may have went a little far earlier when I responded to Further saying it shouldn't have been none of the parents fault. I'll retract and concede that everyone involved should have blame. But I still believe that the main fault is of the establishment/instructor.

 

Uh, ya.... your head is in the clouds, lol. So much exaggeration to try and prove what? If you like being "limited" then go live in China or something.

 

We should blame a flawed 2nd Amendment in the Constitution. No other civilized country legally allows such atrocities.

 

It is not a subculture, I have learned. It is a large part of the American culture. It frightens me.

 

I vacillate between believing its a culture or subculture. I have certainly spoken to many gun owners who overall support their rights to own guns, but think we have gone way over the edge on disallowing common sense restrictions or laws. Due to the vast power of the NRA I think this group is viewed as larger then they really are. Most gun owners want to have handgun or shotgun for security and a few guns for hunting. Most of them aren't alarmists who spend most waking hours around guns. The group isn't small, but I think the "gun nut" group is smaller than they are portrayed.

 

Wait, what do you mean exaggeration? You don't support tanks and nuclear devices among the citizenry? Go back to China, fascist lolololol

 

Say what?!?! Hahahaha

Blaming the parents for the event is pretty funny. The range has instructors that are qualified to teach people how to shoot. As blue said, the age requirement was 8. She was 9. The parents may have not asked to even shoot the Uzi. They left it in the discretion of the instructor because he was more qualified to know what a child is used to.

To assume that the 9 year old murdered the instructor is silly IMO. And maybe the blame is on the parents for allowing their child to shoot a fully automatic weapon, but most that blame is on the instructor.

 

You know that's such a straw man statement! Come on you are better than that!

 

It really isn't, because the thrust of blue's comment was "uzis are fine because we is free people and limits are Chinese"...but almost everyone has limits. Somewhere between 99-100% of the population would favor not allowing nuclear weapons to be legally possessed by citizens. The question is not "Are we free or not," because the answer is always "Not totally, thus we have laws." The question is "where should the limits be," and whether uzis belong on this side of the limit or that side is a perfectly reasonable thing to question.

 

Well most are in favor of some sort of gun control. Call me crazy, but I really think owning Uzi's aren't even in the same realm as a nuke.

I think the incident has no relevance on taking an Uzi away from the people.

 

I agree mostly, but I do think it might be a good idea to place some restrictions on what types on guns certain aged kids should be permitted. Perhaps fully auto weapons should be restricted to those over 18, or perhaps somewhere in between, like 14 years old.

 

Well technically there is. The law states that 18 and over can own rifles and 21 and over handguns.

 

They haven't because it's illegal. If everything were free markets, Iran would just spend the couple billion to the companies That specialize in nukes, and make them for western powers.

 

Obviously owning an uzi isn't the same as owning a nuke, I was using nuclear weaponry as an example that (almost) all of us would agree is over the line to show that we (almost) all have limits. Considering the wide disparity in opinion on this forum on gun control, it required something extreme to find something we'd (almost) all agree on.

My point wasn't that uzis are just as dangerous as nuclear weapons, only that the debate isn't whether we, as a "free people," should have limits or not (as blue32 was essentially arguing)...but rather, where the limits should be.