Fatal shooting of firing range instructor by 9 year old girl and an Uzi

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  1. Further

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    However their parents or ranges allow for a workaround.
     
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    Regardless if one can afford one or not, it's moot. No one in the NRA is lobbying for americans to own nukes.
     
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    How about mustard gas then?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    But wouldn't it be better to use rights of weapons that the NRA is lobbying to protect? Even the NRA isn't lobbying RPGs... I think we can go from that on down okay?
     
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    (ClCH2CH2)2S is a controlled substance. Even our military can't own it.
     
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    Sure, we could use RPGs (and we have, in the past) to show that we all have limits. It doesn't matter which we use, when the point is the same: even so-called free societies establish limits.
     
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    So one incident destroys the rights for all? Sounds silly to me. Do we ban drinking because one person killed someone driving drunk?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    And I agree with those limits. I also agree with background checks as well. What I don't agree with is limiting my mag capacity on my guns. Or not being able to own fully automatic weapons. As cliche as it sounds, you are only taking the guns away from the law abiding citizens and allowing criminals to have an upper hand.
     
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    We banned 7oz liquids from planes because some jerk had to go an try to blow one up.

    We do regulate drinking though, much better than guns.
     
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    Um, well there you go... That 7 oz. ban is fucking stupid! One event made it happen.

    And the regulations of drinking is far more lenient than any gun laws.
     
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    The fact that this is plastered all over the Internet is just a testament about how this sort of thing rarely ever happens. People are killed every day because of other negligent stuff and not a word. It's not surprising though since most of the people who scream gun control are the same people who voted Obama into the White House not but twice. You know who else was for gun control? Hitler, Stalin, Qaddafi, Castro, Idi Amin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong-Il, etc.

    It should also be worth noting that fully automatic weapons are illegal for civillians to own, and more people are killed by choking on forks than in gun ranges each year.
     
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    Must disagree. We take a common sense approach to regulating drinking. We take a bullets and burgers approach with guns.
     
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    You dont watch the news much do you?
     
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    Hilarious and went pretty much exactly as you would expect

    [video=youtube;j6Ex2rVOUWs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Ex2rVOUWs[/video]
     
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    I actually agree that this incident is relatively meaningless (beyond the scope of the tragedy of someone dying) and isn't a particularly strong reason for gun control.

    I don't personally think fully-automatic or semi-automatic weapons are good ideas to be widely available, but it's not due to random incidents like this in firing ranges.
     
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    I watch the news every day, and I also know that 90+ million gun owners did not harm anyone yesterday or have a single accident. Punishing the entire population for the actions of a minute fraction is ludicrous.
     
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    Actually, I'm not even going that far with this particular issue. Perhaps ranges could have state set protocols for children or something lie that. My real problem isn't with this exact issue, it's with the unwillingness of people on all sides to (of many issues) to realize there are common sense measures that should be adhered to. Not overly restrictive ones meant to punish law abiding citizens like disallowing "evil looking" guns instead of paying attention to the actual usage and effect of the gun of issue at hand. And not overly loose laws like allowing person to person gun sales that avoid a background check.
     
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    Right for all whom? For all 9 years old? I have a 9 y/o and let me tell you, this is not a right she needs, heck, the kid can't even keep the floor of her room safe for human habitat.

    I handled plenty of guns in my time and I have seen what they can do when you put them in the hands of people that had actually gone through extensive safety training - some people really should not handle guns no matter how much supervision and education you give them - putting one in a 9 y/o hands is moronic on so many levels it is not even funny, even if there are properly trained instructors there. The blame, imho, is both on the parents for bringing a kid there for the activity and the instructor for allowing them to do so and not properly monitoring it - and to me, at least, anyone that puts kids in a position like that is a moron and maybe, just maybe, society should stop the morons from putting innocents (kids) in these situations.

    FWIW - I personally do not care for Uzi's at all, they are crappy little guns and you can see that these things were designed in the 50s or so. I do not have any desire to fire guns anymore, but when I did - Uzi's were pretty much my least favorite semi's.
     
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    Is it illegal? Are you sure?

    Whatever company might try and make nukes would need the resources of a government. See Oak Ridge and Savannah River facilities for example.
     
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    The nation disagrees

    http://www.recoveryfirst.org/alcohol-related-injuries-and-deaths-in-the-us.html/

     

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