Fatal shooting of firing range instructor by 9 year old girl and an Uzi

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  1. Further

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    Ya, I really don't know. I don't think it's one of the bigger issues. Much more important are background checks and requiring some decent level of gun locks/safes, ones non professionals can't easily remove (with asides for personal carry or bedside protection). Just basically some roadblocks to make it more difficulty for young people to get their hands on their parents weapons for murder or suicide. The smaller issues like magazine capacity aren't going to make much of a difference anyway.
     
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    That doesn't answer the question at all. ;)
     
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    It's saying the government has so many protocols, laws, restrictions and the like that yes, it would be highly illegal for an American company to sell products or information pertaining to building nukes to Iran. I really don't know how you claim otherwise, unless I misunderstood you. And although there are companies from other nations that could sell components/expertise, most nations who have such companies have similar laws and are unwilling to cross America in this area, making de jour law even if it's not de facto everywhere.
     
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    Well, I think you make my point for me. It would be extraordinarily expensive for anyone to try and make a bomb so having one is moot. It is legal and constitutional. When the 2nd was written, they absolutely meant all forms of weapons, especially the biggest and baddest of the day possessed by the British military.

    What's not legal is transporting the material, though nuclear material is all over the place (like X-Ray rooms at hospitals).
     
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    Who brought the 9yr old girl to the firing range?

    The parents made a decision that will negatively affect the girl for the rest of her life.
     
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    What about the parents that brought their children to Sandy Hook? Are they to blame for the kid that killed their kids?
     
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    Obviously yes. I see no difference between an uzi on a shooting range and crayons in a school.

    Honestly Mags, what the fuck are you talking about? How do those even compare?
     
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    I'm talking about how fucking crazy it is to think the parents are responsible for killing that instructor. Or how fucking crazy it is to think that little girl murdered the man.

    The parents went to a place that had zero incidents before this one. Where the legal range had a age requirement of 8 or above.
     
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    I never said the parents are responsible for killing the instructor. The parents needlessly put their daughter in a position to where she will be scared for life now.

    It doesn't matter what the ranges record or rules are. They could say it's cool to let 2yr olds shoot bazookas but that doesn't mean you let your kid do it.

    IMO the parents are complete dip shits for putting their daughter in that situation. Learning about guns is one thing, firing a fucking Uzi?!? Stupid.
     
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    This is what you wrote
    Seems you blamed the parents and called the girl a murderer


    Well I for one think the range are the dipshits. The parents are silly to put trust in the range. The child definitely didn't murder the child
     
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    shhh, mags like to extend threads to 20 pages by coming up with analogies that don't make a lick of sense.
     
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    Maybe murderer wasn't the correct label. Kids at that age do not have a complete concept of death. She is going to have a hard time understanding what she has done. They also don't understand legal definitions. By murder I meant how she is going process what has happened.

    Sure, I don't agree with the rules of that range. So what? It doesn't matter what the rules are. Where is common sense and personal responsibility on the part of the parents? Just because someone says it's okay it doesn't mean you allow your kids to do it. That's the problem with people today, it's so easy to blame or sue someone else. "You didn't tell me I couldn't do it."
     
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    All I'm saying is the range is 100% responsible for the incident. They are the fucking idiots! Wtf where they thinking?!?!

    And I, as a parent, would never allow my 9 year old shoot a fully auto anything...

    But I do let him do this...

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    You just made my point, thank you. What if the range said it's okay for your 8yr old to shoot a fully auto gun? The rules say it's okay. Why not let them do it?

    Because it's stupid and you're not a stupid person.

    Again, I'm not against kids learning about guns and gun safety.
     
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    Gonna be honest... What set me off is when you said she was a murderer
     
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    She's a manslaughter-er. And clearly a man-hater.
     
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    Personally I watch every swim lesson. I don't think you have kids so it might be hard to relate, but if my kid can't swim and they are in group lessons, I'm rarely taking my eye off my child. And this is at children of the sea, a reputable place to take swim lessons. There were at least a handful of times I was ready to jump into the pool while instructor's attention was diverted.

    No one is going to care for the children as much as the parents and I don't have any problem with admitting I am overly protective with my kids. Teachers, coaches, instructors, other parents . . . I'm not going to get lazy and let my guard down. And I know many parents that share the same mentality.

    A 9 yr old shooting an uzi . . . are you kidding me? And people think the 2nd amendment is being trampled on. Good old USA.
     
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    Yes, the range is to blame for allowing that happen as we as the parents for asking them (the range instructors) to show their daughter how to shoot the loaded uzi.

    Such a terrible position to be put into by an idiotic group of supposed adults.
     
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