FLIP FLOP ROCK - Outkast Jigga and Big Mike OWNS ALL..... "they want to hijack the flyness...." that piano line is hot... hon. mention: Canibus Nas AZ Nature and Foxy Brown - Desparados (off "the Firm")
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Great pick, I just heard it couple weeks ago and I loved it. Did it leak off Detox or something?</div> Naw that joints a good 4 years old...lol...it's off Blueprint 2.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Naw that joints a good 4 years old...lol...it's off Blueprint 2.</div> Oh, my bad. Don't listen to much Jay-Z outside of Reasonable Doubt. And I guess that's the problem with downloading songs: you get retarded titles. Good track nonetheless (Rakim's verse pretty much saves them from wasting a wicked beat).
^^^you aren't missing anything by not having BP2 in your collection lol (it's average at best), it's funny u brought up the Rakim verse.....I've been saying for years that Ra torched Jay on that song (similar to Eminem)......Jay's verse was at least 24 bars (maybe even more) and he still got outrapped by Ra's 16 bars......just goes to show you how great he really is (talking about Rakim of course).
It's true. Jay-Z's verse was a repititive bore and I felt he half-assed it. Dr. Dre's was like a regurgitation of Still D.R.E., but Rakim's left you wanting more.
that's the thing, you pretty much know what you're going to get from a Jay and Dre verse.....Ra totally flipped it when he hopped on.
I can't believe I forgot Renegade by Em and Jay. Eminem's 2 verses on that song, as well as his Forgot About Dre verse shows amazing breath control and internal rhyming skills. I loved the flow, as well as the lyrics. Renegade's lyrics are much more 'realistic' and stronger then that of Forgot About Dre, but Em's verses and rapping skills are amazing.
The production on Renegade just screams "Eminem".....it wasn't that surprising that he outrapped Jay, he might have outrapped anyone over that instrumental, lol.
yeah that beat was more suited for Eminem (he made it)...Jay still rapped pretty good imo, but his verse was no match for Ems.
^Pretty much summed it up. Jay wasn't really "murdered" on Renegade, just outrapped by a rapper who produced the instrumentals. Same thing with Moment of Clarity. You can just tell Eminem produced it. Jay is more suited for a Kanye or a Neptunes beat. Blueprint 2 was still a good album. There were some really good songs like Hovi Baby, '03 Bonnie & Clyde, Excuse Me Miss and other songs that you can vibe with like Poppin' Tags, Some How Some Way, The Bounce. The fact that it was a double disc with 20+ songs made it a good album, IMO. I still like Blueprint better though.
Eminem actually does that quite a lot. I remember the Xzibit track "Don't Approach Me," where he pretty much dominated it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">03 Bonnie & Clyde</div> *dream stretches out his right arm, makes a fist, points his thumb upward, only to turn it 180 degrees facing the ground*
hahaha.....on a real though I just thought that song was a slap in the face to 2pac.....I mean Pac had a creative concept where he was talking about his gun...and Jay....well he was talking about Beyonce.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Eminem actually does that quite a lot. I remember the Xzibit track "Don't Approach Me," where he pretty much dominated it.</div> Yeh, Eminem murders alot of people on their own tracks. Eminem > Jay-Z
<div class="quote_poster">Laker_fan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeh, Eminem murders alot of people on their own tracks. Eminem > Jay-Z</div> Eminem was over 3 years ago. Jay-Z came out in 96 and is still doing his thing. Give me Jay-Z's personal struggles and natural flow over funk and soul beats with real instruments anyday over Eminemn's high-pitched frenetic paranoid stories about white trash keg parties over abrasive "horror film" string samples ripped straight out of Havoc's outtakes.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^^you aren't missing anything by not having BP2 in your collection lol (it's average at best), it's funny u brought up the Rakim verse.....I've been saying for years that Ra torched Jay on that song (similar to Eminem)......Jay's verse was at least 24 bars (maybe even more) and he still got outrapped by Ra's 16 bars......just goes to show you how great he really is (talking about Rakim of course).</div> In an interview, Jay-Z said his top 5 rappers alltime were: Biggie 2Pac Rakim Big Daddy Kane Scarface
^^^yeah I saw that....he gets a lot of his style from all of those guys....not a bad list at all. (especially Kane and Biggie)
