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oh i know, but by and large, most are smash and grabs. And those were what we were discussing i thought, considering even rr7 said smash and grabs?

 

It's not an excuse. People who break the law should be punished. But punishing people doesn't prevent crime in a democracy. If it did, the US would have less crime than any other country in the world.

We don't. We have more criminals (people in jail convicted of crimes) than any country in the world. We have 20% of the world's prisoners and 4% of the world's population.

If we want to prevent crime we need to update our social policies to help people rather than punish them.

 

The last one i say they hit a 7/11 and were stealing doritos bags! Lol.

i think this got a bit off track from my original point though, in that it has been vehemently noted around here, if one isnt publicly condemning bad actions, one is effectively supporting or condoning it. To the point where some claimed others as racists simply for not speaking out against a racially motivated crime.
I fail to see what the difference is regarding any crime. If it is stated that one supports if not speaking out, then that should be held a lcross the board on all types of crimes.
For the record, i am not one who has said if you don't speak out you are part of the problem, so i don't know where those peoples’ mindsets are and where the line is drawn, because it all seems silly to me. I was just pointing out the contradiction and it certainly triggered a few people.

 

People are claimed as racists and bigots for supporting racists and bigots.

If a person votes for a politician who is a racist or bigot and publicly supports their racist and bigoted policies then that person is associating themselves publicly as a racist and bigot.

 

The people who stormed the Capitol did so explicitly under instructions from and in support of the Republican former president. So it is appropriate to ask Republicans if they support or oppose. I am not aware of anyone robbing 7-11 in support of a Democratic candidate.

 

I seem to recall people stating more than just voting for. Not speaking out against was considered support. I seem to remember in the early days of the protests, those who did not speak out in support for blm were deemed to be against blm, etc.
I believe anyone who was condemning the vandalism of the protests were deemed as right wing blm haters, etc. and not for equal rights. i do believe this connection was used on many levels. Not just voting.

 

I am not aware of many things. It doesn't make it not exist, or not true.

 

The difference has been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread. I don't know your initial point, but your initial post was claiming the majority in the crime spree thread were democrats, which prompted many to ask for proof. You had none, so there was an expectation set on your behalf that democrats should condemn those crimes, even though there was no political link to it. Therein lies the difference. Pointed out for you AGAIN. It's an absurd jump in logic. Nobody was "triggered". It just went from people asking for proof of that to you complaining in sweeping generalities about "the left" and hypocrisy and your misremembering of a thread from 2 years ago Which you, well, the old you, have consistently done. It's been pointed out to you, but you'll come back in another month with the same line.

 

I have an idea who the "old you", but am not totally sure. This back and forth might be clouding my thoughts.

 

No one complained man. You Re the one caliming im bit hing and yelling for simply stating my opinion.
We both know it cant be proved and it cant be disproved so the request for proof is not productive and not conducive to a constructive conversation obviously based on opinions.
Rhe issue is my opinion triggers you and you aren't able to have a realistic conversation. You make it personal.

I still have no clue why you insist on quoting me and then not liking my opinion and firing back with personal attacks claiming im bitching and yelling when its clearly evident it isnt. Some others and i on here are able to discuss and disagree perfectly fine without making it personal like you do.

if you cant cease making it personal and just have a conversation of opinions, then yea, i will bow out and let you have the last condescending word and move on.
Have at it.

 

And actually my initial post was to someone else ASKING if that individual felt the majority were left or right leaning.
Please, please get your facts straight if you are going to continue to rail on every little thing i say…

 

...it seems more like this boils down to the same confused logic of conflating peaceful BLM/antifa/protesters & opportunistic petty criminals/looters (not to mention the agent provocateurs, bad actors and alternate news media sowing deceit and manipulation of "facts") pretty sure this too has been covered ad nauseum in here.

 

Yes, opposing a civil rights protest would mean you are opposed to said civil rights.

 

That's not what i said though. Where did i say anyone opposed the protest?

 

Nobody was FOR the vandalism. Pretty sure every poster in this forum was opposed to the vandalism. I certainly was. And I was never labeled a racist.

 

Again that is not what i said.
Can we just drop it? This is clearly creating an issue that i asked someone if the majority of the crimes in that other thread were leaning left or right.
i didn't even make a claim at first. But ive been told im bitching and yelling etc for just trying to have a convo of different opinions.
Kinda ridiculous. So lets just move on because i didn't say anything your last two post claimed.
I only brought up what i feel is a double standard and that got some people all riled up.
Some people have their pitchforks close at hand for anyone that disagrees with them….

 

...the trouble is your double standard pt you're trying to make is based on the premise that BLM/antifa were burning down cities all across America -- which is, in itself, a patently false claim. Not opinion.

 

I'm just trying to follow along with what you're saying. You said:

Pretty much everybody in this forum condemned the vandalism and violence. I certainly did, and I was not labeled as a right wing BLM hater. At least, I don't think I was.

Yes, we can certainly drop it.

 

If you're still referencing a thread from over 2 years ago and commenting on the unfair treatment, still, from a thread made 2 years ago, then yes, ill label that as bitching and yelling or complaining. That's not an "up and up" conversation. That borders on ridiculous. What differing opinions conversation are you trying to have? Because I honestly don't see it. You're just making a statement about what the left should do and calling out a perceived hypocrisy.